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Usually how long before release can you preorder Paradox games (so I remember to fill my Steam account up beforehand)?
 

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Usually how long before release can you preorder Paradox games (so I remember to fill my Steam account up beforehand)?

I'm pretty sure there will be an announcement here on the forums :)
 

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I'm pretty sure there will be an announcement here on the forums :)
yes I know but that was not what I asked I asked how much time before games like EU4 or CK2 went into preorder before the release date. was it like 1-2 months?
 

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yes I know but that was not what I asked I asked how much time before games like EU4 or CK2 went into preorder before the release date. was it like 1-2 months?

At the very least, not for another 6 months, so don't worry about it.
 

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At the very least, not for another 6 months, so don't worry about it.
Actually now I am not at all worried as I won't buy this game or HoI4 either? Why? Well because Paradox has decided to screw over the fans of EvW. I am not going to buy a single DLC or game from them. They are under embargo. Will it ever be lifted? It is unlikely at this point.
 

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Actually now I am not at all worried as I won't buy this game or HoI4 either? Why? Well because Paradox has decided to screw over the fans of EvW. I am not going to buy a single DLC or game from them. They are under embargo. Will it ever be lifted? It is unlikely at this point.

Come on... Don't blame Johan's childhood dream because of Fredriks choice :)
 

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Come on... Don't blame Johan's childhood dream because of Fredriks choice :)
I blame everyone associated with PI and PDS is associated with PI so yeah there is that...
 

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- My apologies for derailing the thread. I was angry back then-
 
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The attributes and traits:
Trustworthiness - Deceitful and Honest
Resourcefulness - Thrifty and Wasteful
Persuasiveness - Manipulative and Charming
Heroicness - Craven and Brave

I really like the idea here, but the words you're using seem a bit off. They make it far too obvious that one side is meant to be "good" and the other "bad". I think a better way of wording would be:

Trustworthiness - Shrewd vs Honest
Resourcefulness - Thrifty vs Generous
Heroicness - Realistic vs Brave

Manipulative vs Charming doesn't really make any sense to me. I'd have to see how it's used to figure out what you're really going for.

To be honest, though, none of these specific traits really feel very compelling to me. They're all too vague and/or one-dimensional. I'd suggest using 12 attributes, in 6 pairs, based on the 12 archetypes, or at least something inspired from those. You can even use the archetype names instead of descriptive words, which allows you to be a lot more free in what each attribute really means. For example, "Innocent" vs "Orphan" can mean Optimism versus Realism, but it also implies more than that. The Innocent isn't just blindly trusting, but is also a symbol of hope for the future and simple goodness, while the Orphan is also marked by their ability to survive and to feel true empathy for others who have gone through the same things they have.

If six is too many, you could probably cut out Seeker vs Lover and Sage vs Jester, since those probably won't be as important in the kind of story you're telling (though I may be wrong).
 

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Please, let's keep this thread focused on Runemaster and keep other titles in their respective forums.
 

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I like the music.:)
 

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Wait, charming is the opposite of manipulative? I always thought they go together. This is teaching me life lessons.

And, I so can't wait for this. Looks great!
 

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Including personality traits inspired by CK2 and not including Chaste - Lustful? How am I supposed to give random npcs a good tumble now
 

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Including personality traits inspired by CK2 and not including Chaste - Lustful? How am I supposed to give random npcs a good tumble now

Hah, this made me laugh. I've added it to my list of inspirational quotes.
 

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I also agree that there is an overly negative connotation with wasteful and craven. I think generous and cautious would make those options more attractive.
 

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Nein! Nein! Nein! Vikings should have blonde hair, not red ginger hair.
WTF, is this? Maybe you should turn off your television.

Yeah Thor, Erik the Red, and etc. were not "Vikings".

Trustworthiness - Shrewd vs Honest
Resourcefulness - Thrifty vs Generous
Heroicness - Realistic vs Brave
I completely agree on your thrifty vs generous.

I am sure many Paradox employees have read sagas or know a little something about their Germanic forefathers. Because if they did the trait would not be thrifty or wasteful.

The Vikings/Germanic pagans were extremely generous with their money/food/possessions. And you were looked down upon if you were not generous with your "stuff".

So I would petition to remove the "wasteful". Because that seems like a bad word for what the Vikings/Germanic pagans would have striven to be, which is extremely generous.
 

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Suggestion:

Instead of Craven and Brave, make it Careful/Cautious and Brave? Craven just seems very.. Negative. Brave men die young, don't need to be craven to be smart about a situation. I only mention this considering the other traits seem pretty balanced. Although I guess in a Nordic mythological world, being cautious would pretty much make everyone assume you are a craven bastard.
 

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We have done some changes to the trait names as we have read what the forum had to say and discussed it among ourselves. I feel confident that the new names are an improvement to the old ones. The dev diary has been updated with the new names and here's a list of the traits:

Fortunemaker: Provident - Extravagant
Wordsmith: Illusive - Honest
Silvertongue: Manipulative - Intimidating
Pathfinder: Cautious - Brave
 
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