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Why Chaos? Loki want a new world order. Equality. A change. Not chaos.

As I said... In political views it would be conservatism vs radicalism. Not fascism vs anarchy.

Well, they actually do call Loki a chaos god here. It is very much a question of chaos and order. Order seeks to prolong the state of things. Chaos is out with the old, in with the new. Something immortal and eternal or the cycle of death and rebirth.

I also like Order versus Chaos as a much more iconic pairing of words. It's something that just has more of a feel to it then Stability and Change. It feels more grand, like you're referring to an overall state rather then an instance of something. That said, while I do respect people who pursue freedom at the expense of safety more then the other way around (and fear safety at the expense of freedom more), I always think that striking a balance between the two is ideal.
 

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Well, they actually do call Loki a chaos god here. It is very much a question of chaos and order. Order seeks to prolong the state of things. Chaos is out with the old, in with the new. Something immortal and eternal or the cycle of death and rebirth.

I also like Order versus Chaos as a much more iconic pairing of words. It's something that just has more of a feel to it then Stability and Change. It feels more grand, like you're referring to an overall state rather then an instance of something. That said, while I do respect people who pursue freedom at the expense of safety more then the other way around (and fear safety at the expense of freedom more), I always think that striking a balance between the two is ideal.

But it would mislead. Chaos sound negative. And it isn't was they mean. Loki want a new world order. So this is not chaos. It wouldn't fit the goal the player has. He don't want Chaos. He want a new order of the world. So... both want order. But a different one.
 

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But it would mislead. Chaos sound negative. And it isn't was they mean. Loki want a new world order. So this is not chaos. It wouldn't fit the goal the player has. He don't want Chaos. He want a new order of the world. So... both want order. But a different one.

I've never thought of chaos as necessarily being bad. It depends on your perspective.
 

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I've never thought of chaos as necessarily being bad. It depends on your perspective.

Of course. But what is chaos about the desciption of Lokis goal? Is a new world order with equality chaotic? I don't see anything what would be fitting to chaotic. Both gials Loki's and Thor's are about order.
 

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Of course. But what is chaos about the desciption of Lokis goal? Is a new world order with equality chaotic? I don't see anything what would be fitting to chaotic. Both gials Loki's and Thor's are about order.

I think the goal of Loki's side is a new world with the possibility of equality. The idea that it's better to take a chance and roll the dice then perpetuating what you have right now.
 

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'Order and Chaos', or 'Law and Chaos', would sound too derivative of D&D or Michael Moorcock. I'm happy to use different wording.

Then again, I do get a very Moorcockian, 'Eternal Champion' vibe from this. Have any of the devs read his books?
 

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Well, with a cursory understanding of mythology from various cultures, it is clear that Chaos in this sense isn't the Chaos Gods from Warhammer or entities of evil (Blood for the Blood God and all that stuff). Most cultures that I can think of off the top of my head have a trickster figure that sows discord and chaos, causing things to change. In fact, in some cultures, it's the trickster god that helps create the world by ending the old universe or helping to birth the current one. Trickster gods are also sometimes the deity that helps humans in some way.

So, it looks like Loki is being set up as one of these progenitor/egalitarian trickster figures. And since we already know the game is multiracial, and the gods of Asgard aren't fond of some of these races, there are some really good story hooks possible.
 

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Curious as to what point in the myth the game begins, if that's not already been explained.

The game looks amazing, by the way.

'Order and Chaos', or 'Law and Chaos', would sound too derivative of D&D or Michael Moorcock. I'm happy to use different wording.

Whereas 'Law and Order' would sound too derivative of Dick Wolf.
 

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'Order and Chaos', or 'Law and Chaos', would sound too derivative of D&D or Michael Moorcock. I'm happy to use different wording.

Then again, I do get a very Moorcockian, 'Eternal Champion' vibe from this. Have any of the devs read his books?


Considering that the idea is absolutely nothing new? Doesn't matter. This sort of heroic is much, much older than Moorcock is.
 

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I don't like that there's so much brown stuff in the ground. It's hard to distinguish the road and especially the hero from it. Also the suggested colorful flowers would be lovely to have here and there
 

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'Order and Chaos', or 'Law and Chaos', would sound too derivative of D&D or Michael Moorcock. I'm happy to use different wording.

Then again, I do get a very Moorcockian, 'Eternal Champion' vibe from this. Have any of the devs read his books?

Law and Chaos could also remind people of Dungeons & Dragons (or Get Smart!), though I suspect D&D got its ideas from Moorcock anyway. And while it's true that the ideas themselves aren't new, Moorcock was a little different in that he was less inclined to equate chaos with evil than most of his predecessors. Most mythologies tend to side with the status quo, unsurprisingly. Even in D&D which had a separate axis for good, they could get conflated: think of the descriptions of the Chaotic Neutral slaadi for example.
 

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Is the X next to view hero on the screenshot an xbox controller x?

We are aiming to have Runemaster playable on Steam Box/Big Picture and are testing gamepads. I am more of a PC-player than a console one, though I have a PS3, but I like the feel Runemaster has when I play it with a gamepad.
 
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We are aiming to have Runemaster playable on Steam Box/Big Picture and are testing gamepads.

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Really?

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Paradox is in danger of becoming too mainstream for me. I enjoy telling people "Oh, I play games made by Paradox. You've probably never heard of them." ;)
 

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I put money in my disc drive but it just comes out again :(
 
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