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poland can feed its army with 9 ic for a long time<41> till it goes out of supplies.He just retreated everything to warsaw no way to encyrcle.I wasnt rude and i insulted no1.
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Fillo said:Difficult is hard not very hard, this is the 1000° time we say that :wacko:
When we have writen rules, you was in this game and so you would have suggest any more rules.
Any case:
1 There wasn't 68 division in Varsaw at the beginning. A good Blitzerieg would have prevented that.
2 If Germany had more army, Poland would not be a problem.
3 Poland can't survive without IC.
4 Rules are versus axis, but player do differences, not rules. And we have just seen it.
Useless more comments.
see you soon Hiensen... see you soon
Preventing 68 divisions in Warsaw cannot be down since all the enemy has to do is constantly retreat.He had divisions ready to enter warsaw.
poland can supply its 70 divisions with 9 ic till around start-mid 41.
the rules are imposible.But 70 divisions in warsaw was the blowing rule.Nothing to do against it.Germany doesnt even HAVE enough manpower to TAKE Warsaw and hold border with france and to put divisions to prevent a landing from uk.Need 200+ divisions in warsaw = 2000+ manpower and another 100 divisiosn on the border with france 1000 manpower = 3000 divisions of 39 which will be HARD to upgrade due to central planning and will be useless against 41 soviet divisions.Making 300+ divisions in 39 will cripple germanys ic production cuz you must start in 38 to mass infantries and you must upgrade those divisions which are in theory get germany to have a 160 ic for prod of to fight ussr while others are in upgrade while USSR is gonna have 450 by the start of 40 to make ARMY and no upgrade and no supplies also due to trades. DO THE MATH!.I wait ur response.I wasted so much time in this game i atleast deserve a "sorry man my rules ruined the game i shouldve listened to you"
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if he only had 36 divisions in warsaw ther would be no problem and i would annex warsaw and push the other 40 divisions on the plains on which they dont have huge defense values.Lets not mention that difficulty is hard so all of my units get 1 attack value vs 200 defense due to river/urban/dug in etc. :rofl:
Its simple
36 urban limit = below 100 infantry to conquer warsaw.
68 urban = 200-300 infantry to conquer warsaw because of hard diff/river//urban/overstacking.
germany doesnt have manpower for 300 infantry plus another 100 infantry to hold france and some more 2 infantry per beach to prevent UK from landing.
Germany will lose 200 manpower battleing warsaw when it can lose 30.
200 manpower = game over since italy will not provide her manpower to soviet union.
My army is normal ...not very big not very small.
If i built uber big army in 38 to hold warsaw and go for france you must read above why i cant make super army.
Especially i cant make uber big army and upgrade it when italy will not give 1 infantry divisions in soviet union since upgrading 39 infantry is a hard thing to do and 39 infantry are useless against soviet 41 when su will start building them since it already cancelled its 18' inf.In normal games Italy converts all its manpower and sends 100 infantry to the east even then succes is far from guaranteed and battle is even.
=> i cant conquer soviet union with the same army that i conquered poland and france.In 42 usa enters the war and i need to have atleast 9 divisions per beach in france to counter marines and other stuff.But i hoped i can beat soviet in one summer but you made the game being completely imposible to do that.
Pls reply.
36 urban limit = below 100 infantry to conquer warsaw.
68 urban = 200-300 infantry to conquer warsaw because of hard diff/river//urban/overstacking.
germany doesnt have manpower for 300 infantry plus another 100 infantry to hold france and some more 2 infantry per beach to prevent UK from landing.
Germany will lose 200 manpower battleing warsaw when it can lose 30.
200 manpower = game over since italy will not provide her manpower to soviet union.
My army is normal ...not very big not very small.
If i built uber big army in 38 to hold warsaw and go for france you must read above why i cant make super army.
Especially i cant make uber big army and upgrade it when italy will not give 1 infantry divisions in soviet union since upgrading 39 infantry is a hard thing to do and 39 infantry are useless against soviet 41 when su will start building them since it already cancelled its 18' inf.In normal games Italy converts all its manpower and sends 100 infantry to the east even then succes is far from guaranteed and battle is even.
=> i cant conquer soviet union with the same army that i conquered poland and france.In 42 usa enters the war and i need to have atleast 9 divisions per beach in france to counter marines and other stuff.But i hoped i can beat soviet in one summer but you made the game being completely imposible to do that.
Pls reply.
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not fair at all.I wasted over 10 hours and you in ur complete rightful thinking decide that im out just cuz you dont want to admit you dont know how the game works and you prefer kicking another player out and subbing him instead of admiting ur mystake.
I think it can be beat, but I'm not sure how the hard modifer is taken into effect. *shrugs* We will see. It balances out since the UK was basically annihilated by ISD which is why we put him there.
For the record, I did 'defend' Poland, in the sense I tried a couple attacks, and fell back across most of Poland. Silver neither pushed hard nor tried to take land to which I was retreating too. I lost around 3 divisions total to then being overrun, not hard at all considering he should have at least some armour. That said, I had never played UK before that brief two months, noobed up France and would have noobed up Africa (which I forgot about) had it been a front. A delay in Poland at worst costs him manpower. Which he can afford since I noobed out the Maginot line.
Most "historical" games include the 36 infantry rule, along with pages of other rules (See Heinsen's rules 1.2) which are perhaps the reason I quit HoI2 MP because it got so boring. Oh hey, allies/axis win again after spending years being hamstrung by stupid rules
<<-running the game in sp to see how it goes isn't a solution to argue because the AI doesnt suffer from very hard modifier and given the AI will not play same as the AI human controlled. (poland and france iirc)
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I would disagree. You put the AI in a very similar spot and simply see if they succeed. The AI in this case took the city, delayed, but still managed it. If the AI was able to do that, then Silver should have been able too as Poland was AI controlled. If Silver is better than the Germany AI, he should have a stronger build and thus be able to succeed the same way the German AI was able too. The hard difficulty would hurt him, but it is still possible.
The AI if left on it's own isn't helpful at all, but if you modify the scenario a bit, it's not so bad.
And thank you Honestly, I have been having fun talking to those Swedes who are actually decent humourous people. Honestly I was planning to war the USSR instead of Germany if we had had a decent UK but Silver's complaints quickly convinced me that Germany needed to get rolled! ASAP! :rofl:
This seems wrong. A tank outruns an infantry. At the start of our war I had one infantry in Warsaw. If I was going to do this from the start, I would have put them all in Warsaw. Instead I was able to fight and retreat each battle all the way back. I might have managed half my army, but if you hadn't been using infantry with arty almost exclusively you could have easily overrun my retreating forces a lot quicker.
At the end of the day, there are 3-4 players saying play on and one saying "haxx cheat lame fail etc". The problem is you've been saying that since the start Silver
which is why we put him there.For the record, I did 'defend' Poland, in the sense I tried a couple attacks, and fell back across most of Poland. Silver neither pushed hard nor tried to take land to which I was retreating too. I lost around 3 divisions total to then being overrun, not hard at all considering he should have at least some armour. That said, I had never played UK before that brief two months, noobed up France and would have noobed up Africa (which I forgot about) had it been a front. A delay in Poland at worst costs him manpower. Which he can afford since I noobed out the Maginot line.
Most "historical" games include the 36 infantry rule, along with pages of other rules (See Heinsen's rules 1.2) which are perhaps the reason I quit HoI2 MP because it got so boring. Oh hey, allies/axis win again after spending years being hamstrung by stupid rules
<<-running the game in sp to see how it goes isn't a solution to argue because the AI doesnt suffer from very hard modifier and given the AI will not play same as the AI human controlled. (poland and france iirc)
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I would disagree. You put the AI in a very similar spot and simply see if they succeed. The AI in this case took the city, delayed, but still managed it. If the AI was able to do that, then Silver should have been able too as Poland was AI controlled. If Silver is better than the Germany AI, he should have a stronger build and thus be able to succeed the same way the German AI was able too. The hard difficulty would hurt him, but it is still possible.
The AI if left on it's own isn't helpful at all, but if you modify the scenario a bit, it's not so bad.
And thank you
Honestly, I have been having fun talking to those Swedes who are actually decent humourous people. Honestly I was planning to war the USSR instead of Germany if we had had a decent UK but Silver's complaints quickly convinced me that Germany needed to get rolled! ASAP! :rofl: This seems wrong. A tank outruns an infantry. At the start of our war I had one infantry in Warsaw. If I was going to do this from the start, I would have put them all in Warsaw. Instead I was able to fight and retreat each battle all the way back. I might have managed half my army, but if you hadn't been using infantry with arty almost exclusively you could have easily overrun my retreating forces a lot quicker.
Again you speak of normal games. I don't know, normal from where you are apparently involves the Axis struggling + always trying the same tactics.
At the end of the day, there are 3-4 players saying play on and one saying "haxx cheat lame fail etc". The problem is you've been saying that since the start Silver
PawnQ said:
*sighs* No, but I do. I said I loaded up the AI Poland, I have a saved game I used for testing purposes at various dates; usually around major events. In this case, 5 days before the Danzig event. I moved all the Polish troops into Warsaw; and then saved it and loaded it as a random neutral country and turned on nofog. Lo and behold the AI was able to take Warsaw despite there being 68 infantry divisons there. Assuming you built a better army but had the hard modifer, I imagine those would about even out and in a few months you would be able to take Warsaw as well.
And the poles did not move out of Warsaw at all.
The troops in Warsaw keept attacking the german units and ran out of organization when all the germs came cuz the ai is dumb and did not consider anything else than winning a battle.5-10 divisions aproaching the river, poles attack it while not considering the 70 uber pack penalty and run out of organization.When all other germans units take their place the warsaw garr is already out of org cuz of repeated attacks.
And i didnt made armour because i considered u would know the universal rule of 36 inf in urban.
and i dont see how u rolled me when u just got 70 divisions into warsaw...is that skill? and my post is incresing yay.
PawnQ said:
I didn't say I rolled you? I said I was getting rolled. You didn't roll me, and should have. There is no reason not to cut off and destroy as many retreating Polish Divisions as possible, yet you let me retreat all the way from the from to Warsaw. At that point I cannot see it as anyone's fault but your own. And frankly, I didn't see the Polish AI launch a single attack; but if you want I'll happily go check it again at some point.
pedal2000 said:
dude i cant encyrcle anything.I thought u knew about of the universal that in ALL hearts of iron multiplayer games is applied 36 urban and i need not made armour to use my ic in factories to have better chance in soviet union.
Pretty sure that Germany does start with at least one armored division, possibly a cavalry division. Both faster than retreating infantry.
you just retreated everything...and i cant hold back with 3 armour I divisions. :wacko:
PawnQ said:
If you have a division on the area where my forces are (IE: We fight in A. I retreat. You rush armor to B where I am retreating to and beat me there) My guys disband when they arrive unless this was changed in Armageddon.