Royal marriage

[diegosimeone]

In the era that the game is going to be set, Royal Marriages were obviously a thing. But at the same time, there was no limit to them. You could have a royal marriage between Greeks and Persians (Alexander-Stateira), Greeks and Indians (post Seleucid-Mauryan war) and so on.

Paradox games usually do not allow royal marriages unless the religion is shared. Back then, religion was more, let's call it, lax, so these things did not matter. Should I be hoping to see this in the game?

Also, there's the issue of polygamy but that will complicate things. Alexander for example had 3 wives, his father also had 3 wives I think. There's obviously no problem, as in the EU series, with multiple royal marriages, but since this will also have an enhanced character system in comparison, is it going to be reflected or am I asking for too much? Think of the plots of spouse killing!

 

[Brynjar]

In the era that the game is going to be set, Royal Marriages were obviously a thing.

Marriages to consolidate sure was an important thing, but not only among Royalty. There was no royalty in the Roman republic, but marriage ties sure were important. I would much prefer not to take the spouse hunting and interaction as far as ck2. It gets tedious rather quickly.

From the available information it seems like the character system will be somwhere between EU4 and CK2, but closer to EU4.

 

[Tim O]

Yes, there were more such marriages, but it wasn't like you could inherit a country via descent from a foreign bride at this time.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

EU royal marriages are of course members of the extended family marrying.

It'd be the equivalents of Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie (granddaughters of the Queen), or the Earl of Snowden (grand nephew of the Queen).

Polygamous marriages in the time of Rome would be a somewhat different approach.

I guess we'll need to wait for dev diaries so we know how much detail the character side of the game goes into, and whether it'll be tracking more than a few people per family, or the full family.
Broadly speaking, I'm expecting Romans to be quite easy on cross-faith marriages. All they'd need would be satisfaction that the incoming spouse will sacrifice to the relevant Roman gods, and they could get on with their own gods as well. Similarly I'd expect an outgoing Roman to just want to be able to retain the right to sacrifice to their 'native' gods as they wanted.

 

[diegosimeone]

Maybe royal marriage is not the best term, but that's the one existing already in Paradox games. Cannot think of another name for game purposes which is why I'm paying to buy the game and not getting paid to build it

 

[Naldiin]

Marriages to consolidate sure was an important thing, but not only among Royalty. There was no royalty in the Roman republic, but marriage ties sure were important. I would much prefer not to take the spouse hunting and interaction as far as ck2. It gets tedious rather quickly.

From the available information it seems like the character system will be somwhere between EU4 and CK2, but closer to EU4.

Royal marriages were very important for the Seleucids and Ptolemies, though. And one Roman, at least, Marcus Antonius (the triumvir) contracted a rather important one. There are also several examples of marriage-ties between Carthaginian generals and local rulers being important for getting troops.

I'd think a system more like EU4 than CK2 would work: royal marriages are diplomatic, rather than personal, events.

 

[Will Steel]

Royal marriages were also important for Indian emperors, because that is one of the many things that sealed the fact that a general is not going to rebel against them when given command of a 120,000 strong army.

It was also what eventually led to said noblemen getting closer and closer to imperial family before toppling it. Multiple times within the game timeframe in fact.

Also, like CK2 and like anywhere else in the Hellenistic/Persian/Indian world, it was common for emperors to marry only in nobility, and often marry the princess of another empire/kingdom to buy peace time or create alliances.

I do hope we see nobles marrying from other families outside their empire, and rulers sometimes marrying other rulers' children.

 

[Puking Panda]

Yes, there were more such marriages, but it wasn't like you could inherit a country via descent from a foreign bride at this time.

But it might not totally be unheard of either, land claims and legitimacy, especially in the Greek world, were often based on ancestry and sometimes marriage and Cleopatra and Antony's marriage could have resulted in a similiar situation as was often seen in Medieval Europe had he won with their successor ruling over both Egypt and the Eastern Roman Republic through inheritance.

 

[castlera]

Surely if you have characters who can marry (they could and did in EU: Rome and I can’t see another way that families can create new characters down the centuries) - they should be able marry outside of their own state and their marriages can help characters become friends or rivals? I hope so anyway.

 

[Brynjar]

Cleopatra and Antony's marriage could have resulted in a similiar situation as was often seen in Medieval Europe had he won with their successor ruling over both Egypt and the Eastern Roman Republic through inheritance.

I highly doubt that, mostly because there wasn't really anything to inherit. After the propaganda against him in Rome after he divorced Octavia for a foreign queen and he turned 'local' it's doubtful that the Romans would have accepted him/his children as rulers. Whatever Marcus Antonius and his heirs were to control would most likely have to be taken by force.

 

[S. Dole Melipone]

More interesting to me are the marriages for money and temporary political advantage. Like good old Julius Caesar or Cisero or probably anybody in the upper classes for that matter. Lost your fortune due to civil war but want to invest in an election? Your family means your a political outsider? Get yourself married!

 

[Will Steel]

I highly doubt that, mostly because there wasn't really anything to inherit. After the propaganda against him in Rome after he divorced Octavia for a foreign queen and he turned 'local' it's doubtful that the Romans would have accepted him/his children as rulers. Whatever Marcus Antonius and his heirs were to control would most likely have to be taken by force.

Also the fact that Octavian repeatedly propagated all around that Antony was planning to hand over most or all of the eastern Roman provinces (the richest part of Roman republic) to his children with Cleopatra.

Any real attempt to do so would've inevitably resulted in massive Roman invasions who would definitely never let go of the provinces. A variant of this war eventually occurred.