Royal luxury, wealth, and prestige.

[vertinox]

This might be another one of those "You can mod it in yourself" suggestions (since you can make your own sliders), but I was thinking that a nation could have a wealth/luxury slider for the rulers.

This would take money from taxes and put it into the living standards of the ruling party, king, emperor, or whoever is in charge.

Depending on what type of government you will have a minimal amount you will have to spend to upkeep your court.

A king would spend a bit more on his luxuries than an elected republic senate for example.

Now if you over spend this should add to your national prestige.

Think of it as a French King building palaces in which to show off and entertain foreign diplomats.

The downside would be spending too much while at war or low stability will increase revolt risk from the peasants or serfs.

I think the main reason for this idea would be to give the player a reason to spend money of luxuries since the player does not benefit in any joy of putting aside money for state diners and hunting trips. :rofl:

I doubt even cut scenes of watching royal families roll around in money and treasure would entice players either... So an increase to diplomacy and prestige would be more logical.

 

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This is a great idea! Some monarchs spent loads on such things (and wars, of course) and more or less bankrupt their country, whilst some were very thrifty, and thus left a full coffer to their heir. I am thinking of Louis XIV and Henry VII respectively

I thoroughly agree with your proposal, and would love to see it implemented. How, I am not sure, though no doubt P'dox could think something up.

Good one

 

[unmerged(60236)]

Interesting

 

[unmerged(59737)]

[Guinness Voice] Brilliant! [/ Guinness Voice]

 

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This might be another one of those "You can mod it in yourself" suggestions (since you can make your own sliders), but I was thinking that a nation could have a wealth/luxury slider for the rulers.

This would take money from taxes and put it into the living standards of the ruling party, king, emperor, or whoever is in charge.

Depending on what type of government you will have a minimal amount you will have to spend to upkeep your court.

A king would spend a bit more on his luxuries than an elected republic senate for example.

Now if you over spend this should add to your national prestige.

Think of it as a French King building palaces in which to show off and entertain foreign diplomats.

The downside would be spending too much while at war or low stability will increase revolt risk from the peasants or serfs.

I think the main reason for this idea would be to give the player a reason to spend money of luxuries since the player does not benefit in any joy of putting aside money for state diners and hunting trips. :rofl:

I doubt even cut scenes of watching royal families roll around in money and treasure would entice players either... So an increase to diplomacy and prestige would be more logical.

What about...
-Culture-arts slider
-% of literacy slider
-Public Health-Hygiene slider
-Whatever you wander
...??

In the EU3 there are already many sliders, and actually, is it quite tedious to move them (just one movement each 10 years in adition to the loss of one stability point), so the more sliders we have, the more imprecise and slow to manage.

That's my opinion...

 

[Rotten Venetic]

No, not a slider - this one changes rapidly with diffrent monarchs. It would not pay to change it as there aren't that many monarchs who ruled for so long.

Better off to have it as the 7th budget slider: an investment in prestige. The idea being, that if you want to pay for boosting prestige, you can, but it will slow down your country.

 

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Or, more likely to be found already in the game, buildings and their effects. There might be a province upgrade that grants you a certain amount of prestige each year but reduces your tax revenues.

-Pat

 

[A-Train]

Or, more likely to be found already in the game, buildings and their effects. There might be a province upgrade that grants you a certain amount of prestige each year but reduces your tax revenues.

-Pat

In a way the spending that Louis XIV did actually increased his revenue. The issue at hand for him was not the amount to be taxed but having the power to raise it. Much of his lavish spending was not so that he could live in elaborate palaces, or impress diplomats. Versailles was really a brilliant sceme to control the French aristocracy. The lavish wealth, and alleviation of personal taxation placated the nobles. Also he hedged his bets by forcing the nobles to either physically reside at Versailles or to have their families reside there. That way he could control them. He pulled back on taxes on the nobility and instead taxed the common people. This system allowed him the money to not only pay for palaces, but also to pay for his wars and government centralization. This system made the rich richer and the poor poorer until it combusted in the French Revolution. Compare that to England (and later Britain) where the nobility slowly won out over the royalty, and created checks and balances. It certainly wasn't perfect either, but those checks limited taxation on nobles and common people alike and gave their government a level of finacial stability that allowed them to become the dominant power in the globe.

 

[Captain Frakas]

Better off to have it as the 7th budget slider: an investment in prestige. The idea being, that if you want to pay for boosting prestige, you can, but it will slow down your country.

Perhaps a cultural tech, like in victoria.

 

[Kurdistani]

mmm... sounds like a good idea

 

[Rotten Venetic]

Wouldn't know really. But investing in splendour should definitely leave less money for other ventures. Let's not forget how immensely rich France was. As long as the people let them, the French kings were able to spend that money - piles and piles of it - how ever they damn well pleased


Edit: other princes tried to be sumptuous but they ill-afforded it, bringing their country to (near-)ruin...

BTW, to make this feature's effects more obvious to the player, not investing in luxury should DECREASE prestige, and not slowly either... that should put a damper on my trying to ignore it and hypertech.

 

[Captain Frakas]

Perhaps a cultural tech, like in victoria.

Could be :

0 Primitive
No effects
1 International Gothic
Monthly prestige gain : +0,1%
2 Humanism
Monthly prestige gain : +0,1%
Monthly gov. tech investissement : +1$
3 Renaissance
Monthly prestige gain : +0,3%
4 Manierism
Monthly prestige gain : +0,1%
5 Baroque
Monthly prestige gain : +0,3%
Annual missionaries : +0,4
6 Rationalism
Monthly prestige gain : +0,1%
Monthly gov. tech investissement : +1$
Monthly land tech investissement : +1$
Monthly naval tech investissement : +1$
Monthly trade tech investissement : +1$
Monthly infra. tech investissement : +1$
Annual missionaries : -0,1
7 Libertinism
Monthly prestige gain : +0,1%
Annual missionaries : -0,1
Monthly stability investissement : -1$
Monthly gov. tech investissement : +1$
8 Rococo
Monthly prestige gain : +0,1%
9 Enlightment
Monthly prestige gain : +0,3%
Monthly stability investissement : -1$
Monthly gov. tech investissement : +2$
Monthly land tech investissement : +2$
Monthly naval tech investissement : +2$
Monthly trade tech investissement : +2$
Monthly infra. tech investissement : +2$
Annual missionaries : -0,2
10 Neo-classicism
Monthly prestige gain : +0,3%

 

[Martinus]

In a way the spending that Louis XIV did actually increased his revenue. The issue at hand for him was not the amount to be taxed but having the power to raise it. Much of his lavish spending was not so that he could live in elaborate palaces, or impress diplomats. Versailles was really a brilliant sceme to control the French aristocracy. The lavish wealth, and alleviation of personal taxation placated the nobles. Also he hedged his bets by forcing the nobles to either physically reside at Versailles or to have their families reside there. That way he could control them. He pulled back on taxes on the nobility and instead taxed the common people. This system allowed him the money to not only pay for palaces, but also to pay for his wars and government centralization. This system made the rich richer and the poor poorer until it combusted in the French Revolution. Compare that to England (and later Britain) where the nobility slowly won out over the royalty, and created checks and balances. It certainly wasn't perfect either, but those checks limited taxation on nobles and common people alike and gave their government a level of finacial stability that allowed them to become the dominant power in the globe.

Actually, Versailles also had a perfect (from Louis' point of view) side-effect of ruining most noble families residing there, by creating a demand for objects of ever-changing fashions, luxury etc. So the system didn't actually make the "rich richer", unless you mean only Louis XIV.

 

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I think that every type of government will have effect on spending.
So your idea is interesting but not practical.

 

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I think that every type of government will have effect on spending.
So your idea is interesting but not practical.

I agree, this is in buildings that give you prestige for money and types of government and probably in national ideas, so you don't need the next one.