It should be an option for people who want it.
The arc de triomphe is not a "roundabout" per se, it's a traffic circle. Cars on the circle have to yield to cars trying to join the circle and they're not all that useful for traffic flow from what I understand. Roundabouts, true roundabouts where joining traffic yields to traffic already on the roundabout, are certainly very useful for traffic flow (they're generally superior to lights, where practical).I don't know if I've understood correctly... Do you say that roundabouts like Arc de Triomphe are obsolete? I'm sorry but I no agree at all.
Where I live are very, very common and useful for traffic congestion. Actually City Halls build many roundabouts in new districts
and old intersections that need it.
But you'll be able to build roundabouts or not in your city
PS: Big roundabouts have traffic lights but not inside.
It used to be the case for most of their roundabouts but they've since mostly switched to the normal way apparently for most roundabouts. Maybe a French person can let us know. I mean, it is a monumentally bad idea after all. I've been around the arc de triomphe. I'm glad we were in a big bus that most people won't argue with.
As I wrote before, it depends on local rules and signage. For example, German rules are totally different from English ones.
Place de l'Étoile is indeed not a roundabout but a very old circus dating back to the 18th century.
That is wrong, and here's the proof:
This basically says that a roundabout that is signed with the "turn right" sign, and not the "roundabout" sign, is still a roundabout.
Place de l'Étoile isn't signed as a roundabout and shouldn't be as it's not a roundabout. It's a one way circle road with traffic lights.
Why is that wrong? I said that this needs additional signs, like the Zeichen 209 or Zeichen 211.
This is not a quote from VwV-StVO.
Which signs? There's no sign. If lights would be off, police officers would take the relay and do the job by hand.
I took a look at that place on Google's StreetView, and the only traffic lights are those before and after a few zebra crossings on the two avenues, but there is no actual regulation of traffic on the circus, also no traffic lights in the side streets.
Yes indeed. The traffic on the circus is paced by the traffic lights injecting flows of vehicles from the Champs-Élysées and Grande Armée... There is no traffic light within the circle, but when you have an army of vehicles getting inside the circle in front of you, you just stop and let them go. Both avenues are the major sources of vehicles coming in the circle, and vehicles coming and going to those never crosses each others. It's only the "minor" traffic going from or to other avenues which has to wait.
Yes, it seems pretty safe. How do you negotiate priority there? Do cars coming from the right - I suppose they have priority - slow down after they enter the marked outer lane?
