They were pretty much lnvolved with all financing of states bringing them into debt and eventually financing wars even on both sides.
Will be represented ingame?
Will be represented ingame?
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Rotshilds and other bankers
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No. There will be neither a banking system nor companies as such that expand. The game simulates classes and parts of those. The economic competition takes place as far as possible between the national capital classes. One does not compete within the country in the broadest sense. There is no concentration in which a mean oligarch buys up all the mines in the country.
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Oh... too bad , is this confirmed ? Couse it was an extremely important factor , for example piedmont indebited itself a lot to be able to modernize the country wich brought it to bankrupt so had to make a cobquest war vs Southern Italian kingdom that was not indebuted and had a wealty economy but backward in terms of social reforms and more agriculturally tied... so piedmont financed by rotshild could invade and conquer Southern Italy in excgange arotshilds would gain access to the debt and partrimony of that future unufued state if Italy in 1860.
Banks as companies ans IG would be nice touhg. Like there is a major war going on, I'm not involved but Banks in my country are highly invested in the war. At some point they fear for their investments and pressure the state to get involved to secure their investments.
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The game is just not able to simulate economic agents as such. Factories work with wages and property relationships that adapt dynamically, but there is no superstructure with its own goals. So there is no private company trying to monopolize an entire market. The game just works with classes that more or less manage ownership of the buildings. The separation is more along the national borders.
There are a number of conspiracy theories involving them that the Devs are not going to want to promote.
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I wrote historical facts not cospiracy theories.
As for representation ingame , there could be several bank houses to ask funds like in ckiii is done with jews , the banks could have different goals or interests , some may ask just a % on the restitution of money in a given time or
ask for a % of taxes , others opt for control of resources while others of infrastructures, sone might ask for opening to free commerce or allow particular commerce companies in wich they invested to get monopolies or shares, some might menace to finance wars of ur enemies or viceversa to gain special favors etc... that said the level of indebtment toward bankers could be a crucial factor to consider to speed up things if u want but could have severe backdrops to use that option... also some banks could be loyal to obe country others instead be international and finabce wars on both sides of the contenders, but there could also be policies against bank liberalism or create bational banks opposed to private speculative ones... it would be a whole ibteresting economic gameplay layer that was historically very important.
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There are financial districts, but I don’t think we’ve gotten any indication about how they work or what they do.
I guess some Capitalist pops could found Banking enterprises which could provide different types of effects according to their activities.
We currently don't know if there would be characters apart from country rulers (and maybe interest group leaders?), but I really doubt we see the Rotschilds or any other prominent banking family in the game.
We currently don't know if there would be characters apart from country rulers (and maybe interest group leaders?), but I really doubt we see the Rotschilds or any other prominent banking family in the game.
The financial system is not simulated at all. Before banks are simulated, private companies are more likely to be involved. For banks, the game would have to simulate currencies, gold standard and loans. But that makes it even more complicated.
The writers aren’t going to want to promote some of those other myths circulating around the Internet. There were international bankers in Vicky 2 who played a very minor role, lending money if every Civilized pop’s savings were loaned out, but I would expect the game not to represent the Rothschilds or any other one other family as emblematic of bankers in general, or portray bankers as a shadowy cabal that starts wars and secretly runs the world.
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First of all, this is disputable. And then, the question alone (as if this so-called fact would add some "flavor") shows where you are coming from.
Despicable.
Edit: To be more precise: This antisemitic trope should not be tolerated here
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You know, it isn't because they have jewish ancestry that you have to fall all over yourself to protect bankers, bankers are normally greedy beings regardless of ancestry and they where even worse in the time every single country in europe had a worse situation regarding to capital. Of course there are indeed conspiracy theories regarding the rothschilds, but asking them to be included isn't an indicative of following such, for the simple reason that they WHERE a very important banking family, this is a historical fact, they had heavy sway over the brazilian government, for instance, and worked with and sabotaged one of the greatest industrialists this country has ever seen, Baron of Mauá.
So no, simply asking that giants of finance be represented as the influential creatures they where in a time in wich finance was experiencing a substantial growth in influence isn't an indicative that "hurr durr you are antisemitic", please stop the wtich-hunts with the excuse of preventing the same thing, the only despicable thing here is being done by you.
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Again - your approach is despicable. By the way, you are giving it a away a couple of times. Calling them "creatures" being the most obvious one.
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If you are implying i'm antisemitic, no i'm not, i'm anti-bankers, regardless of nationality religion or anything else, because of their overwhelming tendency to simply squeeze out money from society to their own gains, like corporate overlords, like corrupt politicians, like corrupt army officers, who can be of any group.
I believe you are simply projecting in me a charachteristic of yours: you lack a wider vision, so you think everyone must lack a wider vision like you, well i must say that i'm not a mirror for you to project your reflection on me, so please stop it.
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I see, well if you want to keep your idea that everyone who doesn't like the way rich people toy with the rest of the world for their gain is a crazy antisemite conspiracy theorist what can i do, its not like people with prejudice tend to listen to reason anyway
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If you don't want people to think you're anti-Semitic, it's best not to single out a Jewish family who has been the #1 target of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories for the past 200 years. You could just talk about J.P. Morgan or someone if you want to talk about bankers.
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I guess we will still be able to finance other countries like in Vicky 2, build and own industries there and so on.
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