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Hmm...interesting. Kudos to picking the right spot to maximize your French army. I'm surprised that Freddy went after the French...it wasn't his best option, IMO.

On pins and needles to see what Daun et al acheives...
 

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A great update - I'll echo others' remarks about the tension. This is like the bit in a film where all the forces are gearing up for a right battle royal!

I'm assuming that the leaders' stats are indicative of their relative ability in real life? If this is the case I'd recommend going for Granby rather than Keith. Keith was WAAAAY more badass.

Oh, and on an earlier point, Jaws IV was in fact called "The Revenge". I think the mother shark was seeking revenge on the Brodys or something equally preposterous.

I should add (in an utterly non Jaws related note) that this AAR has actually got me interested in and reading about the Seven Years war. So well done you; you're an educator as well as an entertaining storyteller ;)
 

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Just read the whole thing through ( it took me four hours to read it). All i can say is: bravo my good man, bravo. What an excellent read it was!!
 

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Hmm... The actual confrontation with Freddie has been delayed - and things remain in the balance. It is tense.

Now that you've taken Bremen, does that mean the British are done for, or will reinforcements start flowing again, if the Prussians can retake Bremen?

PS: Your Freddie-as-Jaws analogy seems even more appropriate when you see the face of Fred in the Baltic waters off the coast of East Prussia. :)
 

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Hmm...interesting. Kudos to picking the right spot to maximize your French army. I'm surprised that Freddy went after the French...it wasn't his best option, IMO.

On pins and needles to see what Daun et al acheives...

well I did some more thinking about why I wanted to bring the French to Bohemia (in effect to even the odds), which made me decide I could achieve the same thing if they fell back a little and a large part of the Prussian army went after them ...

A great update - I'll echo others' remarks about the tension. This is like the bit in a film where all the forces are gearing up for a right battle royal!

I'm assuming that the leaders' stats are indicative of their relative ability in real life? If this is the case I'd recommend going for Granby rather than Keith. Keith was WAAAAY more badass.

Oh, and on an earlier point, Jaws IV was in fact called "The Revenge". I think the mother shark was seeking revenge on the Brodys or something equally preposterous.

I should add (in an utterly non Jaws related note) that this AAR has actually got me interested in and reading about the Seven Years war. So well done you; you're an educator as well as an entertaining storyteller ;)

me too, actually, I've been digging around for background. I do reckon this would be a superb vehicle for a history book style treatment.

as to leaders, its certainly an attempt to reflect their ability, but it also changes as the game goes on (winning battles etc means their competence slowly increases) &, on my side, Nadasdy in particular, is now pretty nifty at both attack & defense.

Just read the whole thing through ( it took me four hours to read it). All i can say is: bravo my good man, bravo. What an excellent read it was!!

glad you've enjoyed, just hope I can hold your interest from now on

Hmm... The actual confrontation with Freddie has been delayed - and things remain in the balance. It is tense.

Now that you've taken Bremen, does that mean the British are done for, or will reinforcements start flowing again, if the Prussians can retake Bremen?

PS: Your Freddie-as-Jaws analogy seems even more appropriate when you see the face of Fred in the Baltic waters off the coast of East Prussia. :)

yes, I spotted that rather unfortunate image when I took the screenshot. Since, as we all know, there are no sharks in the Baltic, maybe I should start presenting Freddie as a killer shoal of herrings?

Bremen certainly stops the British getting anything while I hold it. I guess its a bit like that Swedish port I lost back in 1768. On my reinforcement page there is still the notional scope to order up masses of Swedes, but of course they can't actually arrive unless I retake it. I guess its the same for the Prussians. But if its the same as I face, then they need to spend EPs to trigger them, so its not just an automatic flow if they ever retake the port (but thats a guess).

I haven't read much yet, just subscribing. I have RoP but haven't played it yet, I am a fan of AGEOD's American Civil War though. Hope to read some tomorrow. :)

I must confess, I've got utterly addicted to this game. Its so immersive, but you can play it in small bite sized chunks. I'll certainly pick up some of their other titles one of these days.
 

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things get violent: June 1761

At least these two turns, I was a bit clearer what I want to do. With the French, I clearly can't take the passes, especially as I'm faced with 2 large armies. But that doesn't really matter if I can use that to gain the initiative in Bohemia. So I decide to see what the Prussians will do if the French fall back to Bayreuth and with Daun decide its time to tweak the Prussian tiger's tail ... all this leads to scenes of violence.

But the start of June is not too bad



Now I have Bremen, I recklon one of those corps can press on to Hamburg (its not valuable in itself but its a chance to cause trouble in a largely undefended region), the other will rejoin the main French army at Hannover.



So this is central Bohemia. Fred lurks, with few troops, in Pilsen (I find this out when he moves), and the main Prussian army is with Keith. I'm going to take a gamble and see if he'll bite on Daun & 3 corps, even if I lose, it'll cost them (& with the British reinforcements now stopped, they cannot afford to engage in manpower attrition)



and here's Eastern Bavaria. I want those two large Prussian forces to stay focussed on the French, but if possible I don't want to fight them both. So I decide to move 2 corps back to Bayreuth, wait for the 3rd to arrive from Wurzburg. The 4th corps has gone inert, so it can operate as a rearguard with 'run-away' orders.

I don't have a clue what that Prussian army (around 8-9000) in the south is up to.



so my rearguard has a small skirmish with their advance guard, clearly neither side prosecuted the battle with any vigour.



Which this rather confirms, it was a case of who could retire the fastest.



Well, that doesn't change my basic idea so I'll defend Bayreuth and see what happens. Eger is now going to be lost but I'm surprised its held out so long.

Note that Marlene Dietrich is now leading the 'men-in-skirts'



and our wanderers, tour the vineyards of the Danube ...



ok, not nice, but no surprise, my losses were relatively heavy as there was a brigade of HRE troops trying to recover their numbers from earlier battles holed up there too.



that sort of evens things up, these small victories all keep my NM afloat and reduce the overall size of the Prussian-British-Hannoverian army.



Really its only the first phase that matters, as Daun and another corps then fell back. That implies I can stand against Keith and win, if I pick my spots. The last battle confused me at the time, but then I remembered I'd ordered a reinforcement battalion up to join Daun (who by then had fallen back). 1 Battalion charged the entire Prussian army ...



and that again indicates that at worst, I can manage a stalemate - the only problem is Cumberland has the same numbers again, so I need ideally to keep both armies interested in the French but not to fight both at the same time



lots of events, main outcome was a pretty even trading of NM and losses, my position in Hannover is steadily improving and I'm still very much alive in Bohemia and Bavaria (& it could all still go very wrong).

On balance, if I make it to November trading blows and not really feeling over-matched, I won't be complaining.
 
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Parts of that went better than I would've expected - in particular the head-on meeting with Keith.

I think Prince Heinrich (he of the Joyful Danube Wanderers) is either planning a diabolical strike into your rear (could he capture, say, Paris, or is that properly garrisoned?) or he's had enough playing second fiddle to Freddie and not being allowed to 'protect' the valuable stocks in Pilsen and he's heading over to ask for political asylum...

It's a bit paradoxical to me that, while you are stalemating or even outright winning in the game, you're still going to end up losing due to the huge victory point imbalance between you and the Prussians. It might just be me, but it seems that the victory point system is such that it favors the Prussians. Is that a correct assumption?
 

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Parts of that went better than I would've expected - in particular the head-on meeting with Keith.

I think Prince Heinrich (he of the Joyful Danube Wanderers) is either planning a diabolical strike into your rear (could he capture, say, Paris, or is that properly garrisoned?) or he's had enough playing second fiddle to Freddie and not being allowed to 'protect' the valuable stocks in Pilsen and he's heading over to ask for political asylum...

It's a bit paradoxical to me that, while you are stalemating or even outright winning in the game, you're still going to end up losing due to the huge victory point imbalance between you and the Prussians. It might just be me, but it seems that the victory point system is such that it favors the Prussians. Is that a correct assumption?

I think Prince Heinrich is out to seize some French cities on the Rhine...although what he hopes to accomplish long-term, aside from the complete destruction of his force...is beyond me.

As for the VPs, the vast majority of this war has been fought in Bohemia, and, to a lesser extent, Stralsund and the Rhine. Prussia has managed to:

1. Completely defeat and destroy the Swedish bridgehead (Stralsund). This is a significant victory in and of itself.
2. Defeat through attrition the Russian army. The Russians hold of Konigsberg would not survive a peace conference, with the Russian army in its present state.
3. Subjugate Saxony...and hold it against Austrian advance. Another significant victory.
4. Occupy Prague and significant parts of Bohemia.

France, while currently successful, is being shorn of its overseas colonies by Britain, and any gains she makes in this war are entirely contingent on Austria being able to continue. (The Prussian army, if undistracted, is perfectly capable of pushing the French back behind the Rhine). Austria has suffered significant losses in men and land. It is pretty clear at the moment that, if the war ended today, Prussia has won big.
 

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Parts of that went better than I would've expected - in particular the head-on meeting with Keith.

I think Prince Heinrich (he of the Joyful Danube Wanderers) is either planning a diabolical strike into your rear (could he capture, say, Paris, or is that properly garrisoned?) or he's had enough playing second fiddle to Freddie and not being allowed to 'protect' the valuable stocks in Pilsen and he's heading over to ask for political asylum...

It's a bit paradoxical to me that, while you are stalemating or even outright winning in the game, you're still going to end up losing due to the huge victory point imbalance between you and the Prussians. It might just be me, but it seems that the victory point system is such that it favors the Prussians. Is that a correct assumption?

I think Prince Heinrich is out to seize some French cities on the Rhine...although what he hopes to accomplish long-term, aside from the complete destruction of his force...is beyond me.

As for the VPs, the vast majority of this war has been fought in Bohemia, and, to a lesser extent, Stralsund and the Rhine. Prussia has managed to:

1. Completely defeat and destroy the Swedish bridgehead (Stralsund). This is a significant victory in and of itself.
2. Defeat through attrition the Russian army. The Russians hold of Konigsberg would not survive a peace conference, with the Russian army in its present state.
3. Subjugate Saxony...and hold it against Austrian advance. Another significant victory.
4. Occupy Prague and significant parts of Bohemia.

France, while currently successful, is being shorn of its overseas colonies by Britain, and any gains she makes in this war are entirely contingent on Austria being able to continue. (The Prussian army, if undistracted, is perfectly capable of pushing the French back behind the Rhine). Austria has suffered significant losses in men and land. It is pretty clear at the moment that, if the war ended today, Prussia has won big.

I can't dispute that.

Looking at the NM chart right at the start they have an advantage of about 8 per turn on the basis of the division of strategic cities, even at my more successful moments, I've never really altered this and they've now had Prag for a year. Also some decisions I've taken cost me VPs (which hasn't worried me). In effect if the war wends its weary end to a sort of stalemate, then Prussia wins (which is more or less what happened as everyone just gave up by 1764).

As I'll discuss in the next post, I think the AI has quite a cute plan, its basically faced off my main Austrian and my main French force with a slightly larger one of its own ..., but Heinrich pays the price for his wander
 

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even more violence: July 1761

Over these two turns, I make 2 (not too bad) mistakes which really don't help. More fundamentally it becomes clear the AI has effectively set a single slightly larger army than I have against my French-Austrian forces, its sort of trapped me while snaffling up fringe fortresses and cities ... I need another plan



Here's a quick overview of the north, basically Hannover has 1 hole in it (I need two) and I reckon taking out Stade is a good move (more to inflict losses than gain the city)



which is mistake #1, I'm fed up with Heinrich so decide to snag some NM by whacking him and send the weakest French corps on a round-about route march (my gamble was that Cumberland is at least 15 days march away) to then return to the main army at Bayreuth.

Further north, a small brigade is taking Erfurt (again it constrains their supply lines) & preparing a suitable critique.



I decide to pull Nadrasy back (he'll lose but I should escape lightly) and to probe towards Pilsen to see whats there and if I can cut up their supply lines.



well that was bad but not awful



& that was awful, obviously the AI was going to attack anyway but at 1:1 I lose quite easily with the French, and of course that corps when it returns hurls itself straight at the Prussians ... sigh



but at least he suffered for my pains



actually not too bad, pity that Hannover has repaired itself



So I'll sit back at Nuremberg and recover (I'm now thinking to fall back further and hope the Prussians split up so I can attack them in detail)



and in Austria we have mistake #2. The small force falls back to Tabor when that quite strong corps revealed itself at Pilsen.

With Daun et al, plan (a) with hindsight the good one was to retire to Iglau, recover and see what happens, (b) was to attack Keith again, to run his strength down and (c) was to sit still

a or c were good ideas, guess which option I chose



now they all had attack & move together orders but for some reason Daun opted out which further undermined a not very good idea in the first place



ok, well I'll take my wins where I can



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and my NM slips back into the red.

My worry now is I can't get any traction where it matters & though a stalemate is better than being beaten I can't afford a stalemate as my coalition starts to fall apart next year.

In Bavaria and Bohemia, the Prussians outnumber my main forces just well enough to have a significant advantage (ie I can't do anything). With both I'm now of a mind to pull back a bit (not least out of sight) and see if that creates the opportunity to fall on some isolated parts of their army, this static warfare is clearly not in my favour.
 

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Well, I was truly talking from my posterior, it seems. I blame posting hastily during my lunch break (that's my story and I'm sticking to it, dagnamit!). ;) Thanks for setting me straight, TheExecuter. :)

No game-ending disasters, in the last turn, but not much to write home about, either. And time is not on your side. At least you slapped Heinrich around a bit.
 

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Well, I was truly talking from my posterior, it seems. I blame posting hastily during my lunch break (that's my story and I'm sticking to it, dagnamit!). ;) Thanks for setting me straight, TheExecuter. :)

No game-ending disasters, in the last turn, but not much to write home about, either. And time is not on your side. At least you slapped Heinrich around a bit.

its a learning experience for most of us, I most certainly would play out 1757-9 in a very different way to how I handled them this time around

Heinrich gets another whacking in August too, but yes I need in some way to force the pace but often my best option is to be very cautious
 

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The beer battles: August 1761

Well these two turns ended up being a struggle for the Pilsen and the Weisbeer, and I'm proud to announce that as we move on to Autumn 1761 both these critical resources are under my control (not much else is though)

Oddly Bohemia was pretty quiet



I decided to pull Daun's force back to Iglau. This takes them out of sight (I think) and by being on the depot they can reinforce etc. If Keith comes after me, it is a good defensive spot for an army that specialises in the defense.

Kollowrat at Tabor, I decide to use to retake Pilsen. This is the supply line for quite a large Prussian force now faffing around on the Danube (next screenshot). His corps used to be the Bavarian army so its a bit fragile as all those Bavarian and HRE units don't seem to get any reinforcements - so I may as well use it as it is.



Over in Bavaria, the optimist will say the French at Nuremburg have the advantage of a central position, the pessimist is that they are surrounded. I think that Prussian force to the north is off to retake Erfurt and may end up at Kessel (if it does its potentially in the rear of the French at Hannover but I'll worry about that later).

The French are a bit low on cohesion due to marches and battles, so I decide in the end to do nothing (I am slowly learning how this game works).



So I get Pilsen and defeat a largely British army, bit of a surprise but both leaders are inept and the British had no corps structure (on the top line there is no one with 2 stars) so had a command malus.



Nothing like planning ahead I presume, its only 27 years to the French Revolution when we can get rid of these incompetents.



and, as suspected, not much happens.

Except of course that Prussian army at Bayreuth is now free to move ...



looking at this, in terms of combat power, both forces are around 4000, 2 of my French corps have the orange envelop (defend orders only, limited move into areas of enemy military control), so on balance I'll sit on the defense and see.

Over in Bohemia, nothing happens, Keith has let me slip away and I want at least one turn to recover. Up in North Germany, its just the two sieges and nothing else going on.



A little parting present to the British



And the expected assault by Heinrich, his first force arrived on its own and was well humped, his main army did a lot of damage but lost the battle. Anyway that means the Weisbeer stays in my hands.



Whow:

a) Kollowrat is suddenly competent;
b) the Prussians really want the lager back.



I went to the Netherlands to avoid this sort of thing, .... but it maybe explains why the British were at Pilsen (stocking up for the wedding, stag party, that sort of thing?)



A lot more busy, a small breach at Hannover, Stade is not going anywhere fast (& the French troops are peeved at the lack of pay), and those battles were good for my NM score. This went some way to recouping the NM hits from July



Now as we slip into September, all of sudden Keith and Freddie are spotted leaving Bohemia and going back to Saxony ...

And in Bavaria, I've got to decide if the French army is in a better state than the Prussians, if so I can follow up my victory and turf them out of Bayreuth ...
 
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I enjoyed this update for three reasons:

1) Kollowrat grew some stones and became a badass.
2) Weisbeer and Pilsen are safe and therefore the beer is safe.
3) You used the word "humped".

It could only be better if you used the term "pure humped" or "banjoed".

So, is the alliance crumbling a scripted event?
 

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Just a short note : the fact that all the leaders in the box are "one-star" does not mean that the leader of the stack (the guy whose picture you can see) is not a 2-star guys, as his stats is not included in the box.

Any back-up plan for when the French will be out of the war ? :)
 

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3) You used the word "humped".

It could only be better if you used the term "pure humped" or "banjoed".

So, is the alliance crumbling a scripted event?
I think I've pointed out before that 'humped' in the US certainly does not refer to any kind of fisticuffs, so I have some unfortunate mental imagery with that term. 'Banjoed' makes that even worse, with its Deliverance overtones. :p

Overall, a sort of stalemate-update, but with Narwhal's ominous hint-dropping, I can't help but be fearful for the future. Is Cumberland (and his other British chum) getting ready to cross the passes into Bavaria?
 

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These last few updates show how frustrating everything seems at present. Both yourself and Prussia constantly dancing around one and other unable to land a crushing blow. Still, as you have said keeping things at a stalemate is not awful, but time is running out. However the way of breaking this stalemate is quite obvious, offer tickets to a royal wedding of their choice to those of your force who crush the Prussians! After all as those French forces showed during this last update, clearly royal weddings are of great importance to your men.
 

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I'm about a third of the way through so far. Nice work on the AAR and the game so far.

Does anyone have thoughts on which side has the best AI for a first time single player campaign?

Austria has the best AI. Or, more accurately, Austria can survive AI mistakes, Prussia cannot - except with the sort of huge bonus Loki had to give it :)