Another thing (and potential problem) about the whole “taxes from slaves“ thing that someone might be able to answer: Did even all the societies represented on the map in that time frame practiced slavery in one form or the other?
Broadly yes, and generally the more successfull, the higher the incidence of slavery, its the degree of slave prescence in different society that differs, and how slaves function in different society, freed slaves in one state may not have had political power when emancipated, metics in Greek cultures, but would in Celtic and Roman.
Germany
https://www.ourcivilisation.com/smartboard/shop/tacitusc/germany/chap1.htm
You don't really understand the issue here. From what we know, Paradox Interactive is designing the economic system of the entire game around their assumption of how Roman slavery works. Even if I agree with you that slavery was the primary means of wealth generation in the Roman Republic, this does not mean you can build an entire game centered on the whole Mediterranean world based on the Roman model of slavery. You have to build an economic system that best reflects the economic model of the vast majority of agrarian societies and empires in the ancient world.
I understand the issue, its about how slavery works in any economic model of antiquity. Slaves ( lowest level of any society) work in economic activity and produce income, not manpower. Next level up something different and so on. This stratification of different outputs of society is not out of whack with any society in the time period.
In game terms, all economy is an abstraction of stratas of society provided different outputs that society requires, income, manpower commerce etc.
Somebody does the production, whatever the term to descibe it is.
Already given.
Heres anotherhttp://
www.academia.edu/2090831/Slavery_and_economy_in_the_Greek_world
Dimitris J. Kyrtatas
UNIVERSITY OF THESSALY, GREECE, Department of History
The contribution of chattel slavery to the economy of Athens and many other cities of the classical Greek world can hardly be overestimated. Inclassical Greece slaves were employed by all wealthy and even many poorowners of cultivable land; they worked in mines and quarries, industriesand shops, brothels and temples, the stock-breeding mountains and theships that traversed the seas, in private households and the public sector. Inan ideal city, it was thought (Pl.
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a), a citizen should be ‘provided,as far as possible, with a sufficient number of suitable slaves who canhelp him in what he has to do’. The basic difference between this andthe more archaic serf-like slavery is that human beings acquired a twofoldnature: they had a use-value as well as an exchange-value, just like othercommodities, according to Aristotle’s theoretical position (
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a) thatevery article of property has a double value. Chattel slaves not only wereintroduced into a society through trade but also remained, potentially,articles for trade. They could be sold at their master’s discretion at any expedient time.Once discovered, this new type of slavery spread throughout the Greek world.Alongsideitsserf-likepopulation,Cretehadalreadystartedtointro-duce chattel slaves in the fifth century. The same holds true for Thessaly.Even classical Sparta did not remain altogether immune from the inno-vation. The availability of a local workforce and the low degree to whichsome cities had been commercialised did not allow (or,rather, oblige) themto follow the path of Athens and Chios full-scale. It allowed them, how-ever, and sometimes obliged them, to catch up with the advantages of thisnew institution, to at least a limited degree and for some special purposes. When classical Sparta, Crete and Thessaly declined, chattel slavery became
the cambridge world history of slavery
the norm all over the Greek world, although more traditional forms of exploitation persisted in the regions conquered by Alexander.
Having been invented under very specific conditions during the archaic period, it was able to spread throughout the Greek and, to a certain degree, non-Greek world because of its advantages over other types of unfree labour
And anotherhttps://eh.net/encyclopedia/the-economy-of-ancient-greece/
Slaves comprised an undeniably large part of the labor force of ancient Greece. In fact, it is fair to say, as Finley did, that ancient Greece was a “slave dependent society.” There were so many slaves; they were so essential to the economy; and they became so thoroughly embedded into the every day life and values of the society that without slavery, ancient Greek civilization could not have existed in the manner it did. In Classical Athens it has been estimated that there were around 120,000 slaves. Thus, slaves comprised over a third of the total population and outnumbered adult male citizens by three to one.
The slaves of Athens were chattel, that is the private property of their owners, and had few, if any, rights. The demand for them was high as they performed almost every kind of work imaginable from agricultural labor to mining labor to shop assistants to domestic labor even to serving as the police force and secretaries for the government in Athens. About the only thing slaves did not normally do was military service, except in emergencies, when they did that too.
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In addition to chattel slavery, there were other forms of dependent labor in the ancient Greek world. One famous example is helotry, known principally from the city-state of Sparta. The helots of Sparta were agricultural serfs, indigenous peoples conquered by the Spartans and forced to work their former lands for their Spartan overlords. They were not the private property of the individual Spartans, who were allotted the former lands of the helots, and could not be bought or sold. But their mobility was completely restricted; they had very few rights; they had to turn over a large percentage of their produce to their Spartan overlords; and they were routinely terrorized as a matter Spartan state policy. The one drawback for the Spartans of using helot labor, though, was that the helots, living still on their former homeland and having a sense of ethnic unity, were prone to revolt and did so on several occasions at great cost both to themselves and to the Spartans.
So? This has nothing to do with whether "the tax income of a city is primarily based on how many slaves you have in that city".
Actually yes it does, and in gave a crude math model to demonstrate it.
Generally accepted figures for Athens at the height of its power and prosperity in 431 B.C., though, are in the range of approximately 305,000 people, of which perhaps 160,000 were citizens (40,000 male, 40,000 female, 80,000 children), 25,000 were free resident foreigners (metics), and 120,000 were slaves.
http://etheses.dur.ac.uk/3299/
Greek Slavery in a Near Eastern Context: A Comparative Study of the Legal and Economic Distinctiveness of Greek Slave Systems
That's not true. A wide variety of academic studies on slavery has consistently argued slavery is not an efficient model of economic production. Even the freaking Nazis acknowledged this towards the end of WW2. Passive resistance is a thing among slaves. Slaves have no incentive to increase their productivity because they get no direct benefit from doing so.
Is so, and they gave the Nobel Economics prize to Fogel and Engerman for Empiricly showing how slavery was a superior labour system over free labour. Economy of scale ( over 50 slaves prsent increased agricultural outputs 23% over free labour using the same inputs, falling to 6% if 5 present)and the slave gang system ( increased outputs by 53%) made slavery very productive from the same inputs. Coercion and reward are aspects of slavery, when reward fails to incentivise the slave, coercion is applied, in some instances coercion is the only method used. The other side is incentives, and they motivate the free and unfree alike. How do you think all those slaves/metics became free in the first place.
Ps what nazis do you refer to?
