Rome graphic did very great.....

[MannheimCouncil]

I think South-aligned maps are great. Early Islamic maps always were and they really give you a different perspective. The problem with the pictured map is that it employs a mercator-like projection that makes the northern countries look much too big in proportion. A Gall-Peters projection is much better in this regard:

But back on topic: I thought the map in Rome was gorgeous, but not very informative. I like the current Vicky2 setup much better. The rotation feature was frankly annoying and misplaced in a grand strategy game.

 

[Tormodius]

Yeah awesome. Sweden seems to have got an erection :rofl:

 

[Airfixer]

Sweden seems to have got an erection :rofl:

Ever seen a map of the EU (i.e. without norway)

 

[lila-laune-bär]

Ever seen a map of the EU (i.e. without norway)

Never looked at it that way, but I've got to say...

 

[OHgamer]

Keep on topic folks

 

[rjf101]

I thought the new Victoria map actually looked miore aesthetically appealing than the Rome map. I'm not sure why you would want to use the Rome one?

Are you just talking about the rotating feature or the actual aesthetic look of the map?

 

[Garak]

I thought the new Victoria map actually looked miore aesthetically appealing than the Rome map. I'm not sure why you would want to use the Rome one?

Are you just talking about the rotating feature or the actual aesthetic look of the map?

.....:wacko:

Well, to each their own, I guess, lol.

 

[Simon B]

The vicky II map look great but I would have love to have cities graphics or at least some kind of urban area ala HOI3...

 

[dongwookuk]

Will Vicky 2 use a mercator projection, or a Gall-Peters projection??

I always hate how tiny and useless Africa seems in all paradox games, hoping that devs change it this time.

 

[CaptRobau]

Judging by the CLIO map, the V2 map is as Mercator as it can be. Which I applaud. It was the most used map projection of the 19th century (judging by the maps of the era I've seen). The straight borders in North America and Africa are as straight as they were when they were drawn for the first time in the 19th century. It's also more pleasing on the eyes as none of the edge parts (Europe, North America, Australia) look more smaller than the middle parts such as Africa.

HOI2, EU3 and HOI3 all seemed to use something equivalent to a Mollweide projection (which I think is used for most world maps in current atlasses). Ironically that one makes Africa a lot bigger than on a Mercator projection and most other map projections. So it's going to be smaller.

And don't speak of the Gall-Peters projection. That abomination should never have been made. It's the map equivalent of a fat woman squeezing into a pair of far-too-small jeans. It makes everything look wrong.

 

[telesien]

I guess we all want the map look as familiar as possible, so the best way is to chose the projection that is most widely used on maps. I personally don't care if Africa is too big or Australia too small, I just want a map, where I look on Europe/India/Japan... and see Europe/India/Japan...

 

[Garak]

Judging by the CLIO map, the V2 map is as Mercator as it can be. Which I applaud. It was the most used map projection of the 19th century (judging by the maps of the era I've seen). The straight borders in North America and Africa are as straight as they were when they were drawn for the first time in the 19th century. It's also more pleasing on the eyes as none of the edge parts (Europe, North America, Australia) look more smaller than the middle parts such as Africa.

HOI2, EU3 and HOI3 all seemed to use something equivalent to a Mollweide projection (which I think is used for most world maps in current atlasses). Ironically that one makes Africa a lot bigger than on a Mercator projection and most other map projections. So it's going to be smaller.

And don't speak of the Gall-Peters projection. That abomination should never have been made. It's the map equivalent of a fat woman squeezing into a pair of far-too-small jeans. It makes everything look wrong.

Well, the only way to accurately represent the world is with a globe, not a flat projection, so something will be distorted no matter what you do. I agree, though, that Gall-Peters map makes everything look strange. The south is way too big and the north looks squished and spread out. Alaska simply does not stick that far out of North America. Mercator is inaccurate, but recognizable and commonly used, so it's good enough.

 

[Teurlinx]

Wasn't Europe inflated a lot in Vicky (like in other P'dox games)? Basically required since you want a high province density in Europe without having them too small. Africa, the seas and Siberia can be small, nothing going on there really.

 

[Piddyx]

Seeing Europe upside down was just horrible. Gave you a headache as you struggled to point out what country you were looking at.

America looks barely a power at all, Russia seems almost dominating the entire world and China looks like it's going to fall over into Russia. Europe barely stands out at all.

Rule #1 when playing on a projection map: Never piss off Greenland.


I think the Vicky 2 map looks beautiful. It gives you a little feel for the era while being crisp and easy for the eye to translate.

 

[Kriegsspieler]

Wasn't Europe inflated a lot in Vicky (like in other P'dox games)? Basically required since you want a high province density in Europe without having them too small. Africa, the seas and Siberia can be small, nothing going on there really.

There's another reason as well, I think, that even though Vicky/R weren't "wargames" in the usual sense, there was often a good measure of combat, and it would be very unsatisfactory to be able to gobble up your opponents in two or three "Risk-like" gulps. Detail was also extrememly useful for fine-grained regional differentiation for economic developement purposes.

As far as I am concerned, if we get faster scrolling, less lag and easier comprehensibility by throwing 3D maps in the dumpster, I say let me be the first to help roll it into place.

 

[Dunderdon]

one problem is that with a free camera like in rome you can in fact get the camera positioned to view most of the world since its flat.

I knew it! I KNEW it! Earth is a flat dish.. or a flat square?

 

[Teurlinx]

As far as I am concerned, if we get faster scrolling, less lag and easier comprehensibility by throwing 3D maps in the dumpster, I say let me be the first to help roll it into place.

Actually it's the other way around, by having the graphics in 3D those get off-load to the GPU instead of the CPU which is already strained by P'dox games. (modern graphics cards perform no better, or sometimes even worse, at 2-D than old Voodoo cards did)

Or are you talking about a real globe here?

I think the main objection of the Dev team against such a concept is that the Clausewitz engine is built for a 'flat map' instead of a true 3D map.

 

[Kriegsspieler]

Actually it's the other way around, by having the graphics in 3D those get off-load to the GPU instead of the CPU which is already strained by P'dox games. (modern graphics cards perform no better, or sometimes even worse, at 2-D than old Voodoo cards did)

Or are you talking about a real globe here?

I think the main objection of the Dev team against such a concept is that the Clausewitz engine is built for a 'flat map' instead of a true 3D map.

Ah, I'm happy to admit that i'm out of my element here -- what bugs me (and then you can explain it) is that certain 3D maps seem to be laggy in scrolling and zooming. HOI3's seems to be annoying in that respect.
Or is this really a different issue?

 

[Teurlinx]

Ah, I'm happy to admit that i'm out of my element here -- what bugs me (and then you can explain it) is that certain 3D maps seem to be laggy in scrolling and zooming. HOI3's seems to be annoying in that respect.
Or is this really a different issue?

I guess you mean when your mouse reaches the edge of the screen and you scroll to the side in 'hick-ups'? That seems to happen on strained computers more. Had it a lot on my old laptop, my new desktop is fine usually. I'm not quite sure what causes these freezes tbh. Maybe its a RAM issue, more RAM more room to buffer the map edges for scrolling? Just guessing here. I don't have any sage knowledge about this kind of stuff

 

[unmerged(133545)]

I love the current Vicky 2 map personally.