Romanian buglist

[Blackoberst]

I've played the game starting with many various nations... Being a Romanian I evidently started the game with Romania as well... Here is what I found to be less than accurate (as not to say bugs):

1. The USSR never claimed the "Iasi" province (#433) as it's own. Not after the R-M Pact, not after 1945. That province is actually part of Romania to this day (as it was since the 2 Principalities were united). Basserabia is only comprised of the "Chisinev", "Balti" and "Ismail" provinces.

2. The province named "Tulcea" in HOI2 is the one that should actually have the name "Constanta", while the current "Constanta" province should be named "Caliastra" or "Durostor". Also the main Romanian port to the Black Sea is the city of Constanta (situated in the so called "Tulcea" province), not in the Quadrilater (so called "Constanta" province). This is particularly annoying when the Bulgarians join the Axis and demand "Constanta".

3. It was interesting to realise that even if Romania was the Germans' ally htey would still sign the historical R-M Pact, giving up Basserabia without any consideration for their ally... Somehow that doesn't seem just right. Maybe a variable in the signing could be the possible alliances between Germany and the countries directly affected by the said Pact.

It is irrelevant that I, as the Romanian commander, never gave in to these requests, or that Bulgaria never made it past the second year in the '36 scenario...

If I find more I'll get back to you.

 

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3. It was interesting to realise that even if Romania was the Germans' ally htey would still sign the historical R-M Pact, giving up Basserabia without any consideration for their ally... Somehow that doesn't seem just right. Maybe a variable in the signing could be the possible alliances between Germany and the countries directly affected by the said Pact.

It is irrelevant that I, as the Romanian commander, never gave in to these requests, or that Bulgaria never made it past the second year in the '36 scenario...

If I find more I'll get back to you.

Germany forced Romania to cede territory to Hungary. Why wouldn't they force Romania to cede Bessarabia to the USSR? It seems perfectly correct to me.

The other's sound ok, but I can't really comment.

 

[Blackoberst]

It was just a thought... And I remembered another one...

4. Romania wasn't that democratic back then. It was considered a Royal Dictatorship, headed by Carol II. And moreoften than not the Coup-d'etat led by Mihai I making Antonescu the actual leader of the nation is largely overlooked and could be put in as an event. Too many times I try and I try to make them more belligerant and a random event makes my nation one of the most democratic ones around... Now that's just silly! And there could be another event... The Fascist Uprising led by Sima would have trasformed Romanian politics into something resembling Germany at the time (with huge dissent, but still)...

5. Antonescu wasn't just a Lt. General in 1936. And he was a Field Marshall in 1940.

 

[Enravota]

Germany forced Romania to cede territory to Hungary. Why wouldn't they force Romania to cede Bessarabia to the USSR? It seems perfectly correct to me.

the problem is that the USSR gets more than it should. they should not get the Iasi prov.

 

[Kevin Mc Carthy]

the problem is that the USSR gets more than it should. they should not get the Iasi prov.

Under discusion in beta...

 

[Blackoberst]

At #3 I was referring to the fact that Romania wasn't part of the Axis at the moment when the Vienna Dictat and the R-M Pact were signed, or at the time it was forced to give up almost half of its territory. My point was that maybe if it was part of a military alliance with Germany at that time those treaties wouldn't have carved it up like that.

6. "Armor" is translated as "Blindate" in referrence to armoured divisions. So "Divizie 1 Armura" should actually be "Divizia 1 Blindate" and so on ("Divizie" isn't correct either, it should be "Divizia"). Also "Corp Cavaleria Romania" and "Flota de Mare Romania" should be named "Corp Cavalerie Roman" and "Flota Maritima Romana".

 

[Friant]

There is also an "exploit" (aka "smart tactic") where, as Germany, if Romania is your ally and takes territory from Poland, it will not revert to USSR if Germany accepts M-R Pact. Not as bad as in HOI1, where ROM could take all of East Poland, then let GER finish off Warsaw, then accept M-R and lose nothing, but you can still get to at least Lvov and keep the provinces.

 

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And All of poland shall be yours!!

There is also an "exploit" (aka "smart tactic") where, as Germany, if Romania is your ally and takes territory from Poland, it will not revert to USSR if Germany accepts M-R Pact. Not as bad as in HOI1, where ROM could take all of East Poland, then let GER finish off Warsaw, then accept M-R and lose nothing, but you can still get to at least Lvov and keep the provinces.

If you encircle but delay destruction of warsaw until all of poland is destroyed you will retain all of poland to yourself. They cant sieze their share until warsaw falls and all "contested" areas in your possesion as germany will remain yours.

 

[Friant]

I'd wondered about this. In HOI2, v1.0, there were separate events for "Soviets Take East Poland" and "Honor the M-R Pact?", and it was the second event that gave the Soviets all contested provinces and gave you +3% Dissent. In v1.2, I've not seen the second event fire. I've not been gamey, I take Warsaw as soon as I can, then annex Poland, but I still don't see the Honor The Pact? event. Maybe if I waited to annex, but that means more mopping up in the east while France beckons.

Then again, in HOI2 if Romania holds the east from the Baltic to the Black Sea, I'd have to pull off some kind of amphibious invasion behind the lines, then expand from it for Barbarossa, or the whole Soviet Union would end up in Romanian hands.