Romania: How does Divide Yugoslavia Work?

[General Waluigi]

In a Balkans Dominance Romania game, I've been able to get most of the conquests via the focus tree, but I'm stumped as to how the Divide Yugoslavia decisions work. Do I need to invite Italy or Germany, or can I do it myself? I've been placing full claims all over southeast Yugoslavia via the decisions, but I don't know what allows me to send the ultimatum. Am I missing something?

 

[Zeprion]

- You can only divide Yugoslavia yourself or invite: Hungary, Germany or Italy.
Why can't you invite Bulgaria (who had claims over Yugoslavia) and Greece (the player may accept) too? I don't know.

- In order to send an ultimatum, you need to have at least 1 claim in every region.
- If you don't invite anyone, you have to spend a lot of days to make 1 claim in every region.
Why can't you automatically send an ultimatum if you're alone? or split Yugoslavia in 3 puppets like it used to be? I don't know.

- Every region can have a maximum of 3 claims, the country who gets most claims in a region gets that region if Yugoslavia accepts.
- When every Yugoslav region has at least 1 claim, no matter from which of the invited countries, you will be allowed to send the ultimatim.

In theory: This sounds like a great political game, where you are diplomatically fighting to get the biggest share of Yugoslavia.
In practice: Yugoslavia will never accept, even if Yugoslavia has 22 divisions and the demanding countries have a total of 100 divisions.
Why won't Yugoslavia give in when they clearly can't win, such as the enemy countries having an over 3 to 1 army ratio compared to them? I don't know.

Sadly, in the end, it's just a method of declaring war on Yugoslavia. When you invite countries to divide Yugoslavia, you're really inviting countries to join the war.

 

[Áurum]

- You can only divide Yugoslavia yourself or invite: Hungary, Germany or Italy.
Why can't you invite Bulgaria (who had claims over Yugoslavia) and Greece (the player may accept) too? I don't know.

- In order to send an ultimatum, you need to have at least 1 claim in every region.
- If you don't invite anyone, you have to spend a lot of days to make 1 claim in every region.
Why can't you automatically send an ultimatum if you're alone? or split Yugoslavia in 3 puppets like it used to be? I don't know.

- Every region can have a maximum of 3 claims, the country who gets most claims in a region gets that region if Yugoslavia accepts.
- When every Yugoslav region has at least 1 claim, no matter from which of the invited countries, you will be allowed to send the ultimatim.

In theory: This sounds like a great political game, where you are diplomatically fighting to get the biggest share of Yugoslavia.
In practice: Yugoslavia will never accept, even if Yugoslavia has 22 divisions and the demanding countries have a total of 100 divisions.
Why won't Yugoslavia give in when they clearly can't win, such as the enemy countries having an over 3 to 1 army ratio compared to them? I don't know.

Sadly, in the end, it's just a method of declaring war on Yugoslavia. When you invite countries to divide Yugoslavia, you're really inviting countries to join the war.

You can't invite Bulgaria because it's always your puppet (although you can give the states later in the peace conference. They won't get cores though).

And the claims aren't even enforced, you can invite Hungary and then ignore their claims and get all their land.

As it is, it's very broken, Romania can claim all of Yugoslavia and annex it with the bonuses to compliance and resistance from the claims. If you need manpower fast, then the best is to puppet Yugoslavia as a whole instead of balkanizing it. Small puppets are only useful to fascists because of factories, non-aligned puppets don't give factories so if small, they give no factories and no manpower.

 

[eastcoastceojam]

I made a post about this a few days ago with screenshots. Here's what I found:

1. You can present the ultimatum to Yugoslavia all by yourself once you've made a claim on all 13 states. It's easy to miss a state, so be careful.
2. However, Yugoslavia is likely to make you fight for the land if you don't invite anyone else to the process. (5-out-of-5 on my experiments)
3. If you want to get all the land peacefully, you can make all the claims yourself, then invite Germany and Italy, wait 2 days, then send the ultimatum. You will get all the land, and Yugo will fold if multiple parties are involved in the division.

My full thread is below:

Romania's new "Divide Yugoslavia" focus- is this how it works?

The 1.10 patch adds new mechanics to Romania's old "Divide Yugoslavia" focus. Like the Spanish Civil War garrisons, you click on individual states, wait 14 days, then move on to the next state. This one doesn't cost any PP, but you can only...

forum.paradoxplaza.com

 

[General Waluigi]

Thanks! I was able to take Yugoslavia myself with only about 20K casualties. So now I currently own most of the Balkans, except Albania (Italy as always) and Thrace (owned by Turkey). If I attempted the Death or Dishonor or Cake achievement, should I use this route? Also, when does the Soviet Union make their claim to Bessarabia? (I know it's generally in 1940-1941, but I don't know the exact in-game date)

 

[eastcoastceojam]

On Historical, I think the USSR usually demands Bessarabia around June 1940.

If going for the "Death or Dishonor or Cake" achievement, make sure to not let Italy depose Carol II. Italy will always select Befriend Romania focus, which boosts fascist popularity in Romania for ~1000 days. I had to use the "anti-fascist raids" decision a time or two to make sure Carol didn't get overthrown before I got the land needed for the achievement.

 

[General Waluigi]

On Historical, I think the USSR usually demands Bessarabia around June 1940.

If going for the "Death or Dishonor or Cake" achievement, make sure to not let Italy depose Carol II. Italy will always select Befriend Romania focus, which boosts fascist popularity in Romania for ~1000 days. I had to use the "anti-fascist raids" decision a time or two to make sure Carol didn't get overthrown before I got the land needed for the achievement.

Doesn’t the Ban Fascism decision just remove the Fascist influence national spirit?

 

[eastcoastceojam]

Doesn’t the Ban Fascism decision just remove the Fascist influence national spirit?

Not sure. I didn't think you could get rid of the foreign national spirit like that.

I think it only cuts it in half by adding a -0.05 daily fascist support, so fascist support will still creep up over time.

 

[General Waluigi]

Not sure. I didn't think you could get rid of the foreign national spirit like that.

I think it only cuts it in half by adding a -0.05 daily fascist support, so fascist support will still creep up over time.

Strange, 'cause I recall doing that in my Monarchist Bulgaria run when Italy completed "Influence Bulgaria". I'll check a bit later.

EDIT: I just checked using Italy and Yugoslavia. The Ban Fascism decision DOES remove the Fascist Influence national spirit.

 

[Admiral Fischer]

In theory: This sounds like a great political game, where you are diplomatically fighting to get the biggest share of Yugoslavia.
In practice: Yugoslavia will never accept, even if Yugoslavia has 22 divisions and the demanding countries have a total of 100 divisions.
Why won't Yugoslavia give in when they clearly can't win, such as the enemy countries having an over 3 to 1 army ratio compared to them? I don't know.

Sadly, in the end, it's just a method of declaring war on Yugoslavia. When you invite countries to divide Yugoslavia, you're really inviting countries to join the war.

If you haven't destroyed Hungary or Bulgaria in the process, try "Request Forces" and incorporate their 24-or-so divisions into your army as well. I could muster 72 divisions by January 1938 and that was enough to scare the AI for my achievement run.

 

[eastcoastceojam]

Strange, 'cause I recall doing that in my Monarchist Bulgaria run when Italy completed "Influence Bulgaria". I'll check a bit later.

EDIT: I just checked using Italy and Yugoslavia. The Ban Fascism decision DOES remove the Fascist Influence national spirit.

Good to know- thanks for testing this. I always assumed that it couldn't be that easy, but sometimes... it is that easy.