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rkm0000

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i just created the roman empire, but i have a lot of territory's that are about to drift into the ERE( now gone), will i have to wait over 100 years for it to drift into the roman empire or will it continue under the name of the ere
 

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Unfortunately, yea.

Is there however an advantage to the de jure drift? If that land wasnt yours already, you would get claims... but since you already have it... ? I thought this was mostly cosmetic.
 

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Unfortunately, yea.

Is there however an advantage to the de jure drift? If that land wasnt yours already, you would get claims... but since you already have it... ? I thought this was mostly cosmetic.

Vassals in areas that are not in your de jure territory are more likely to revolt and seek independence. Additionally, if it's your de jure territory, then obviously it isn't someone else's de jure territory. :p
 

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Well, unless the kingdom/Empire that affects that area's crown laws don't exist, then your crown laws affect the area under your control.
 

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You get a -20 from "desires kingdom/empire" once they drifted into your de jure territory. Which has the same effect.

Only if you hold tons of titles, though--you can solve this by letting everything drift into your single kingdom title, and then you can freely create all of the kingdom titles (which are now titular) without penalty.
 

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You get a -20 from "desires kingdom/empire" once they drifted into your de jure territory. Which has the same effect.

Uh no. You CANNOT get the -20 from desiring a title if that title is your primary title. If anything is drifting into it at all, it must be your primary title. The above only applies if they are de jure vassals of a secondary title. However, if the secondary title is created at all, the lands belonging to that title will not drift.

The only situations I can think of where I would not want my lands drifting into my primary title are;

A) Limiting the number of electors in an Elective Succession.
B) When your primary title is a kingdom, limiting the loss of kingdoms to invasions (i.e. Mongols)

As an aside, they really need to fix that bug where created kingdoms don't drift into empires, even if all requirements are met.

Also, it would be nice if de jure drifts for different kingdoms/empires were tracked separately, so that one kingdom's drift progress wouldn't delay the drift of a second kingdom if the territory were conquered.
 

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The game would have a lot more range if things just changed in the save file. For example, for your game ERE is renamed to Roman Empire with color change. This could also be used for introducing saints to the game (adding them as god_names as the game progresses).