robothelpermnky's Strategy Corner

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It's time to show to the US who's boss!

It will be hard for France, though, to intervene in Italy and Spain without getting weaker on the northern front.

 

[Jayavarman]

Can we extend the Maginot Line to cover the Belgian border all the way to the English Channel?

 

[Johnny Canuck]

Re: Strategy - Germany

Originally posted by robothelpermnky
I won't waste time with V-2 or super cannons or A-bombs or night-vision Panzers or super-hvy tanks, or any other wanky techs RL Germany wasted her time on.
Radar, Sub-tech, Fighter/jet tech, that's the ticket.
Jets will be fighters(unless I'm so lucky as to have no aerial opposition), jet-bombers are stupid.

Well, one of those wacky German research projects I would keep going would be the one that would have led to rocket-propelled guided anti-aircraft missiles. Those, by themselves, could have shut down the entire bombing offensive against Germany. I think they were fairly close to producing a working model, except the project was shut down due to the preference for offensive weapons.

 

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Yes, the Russians did pay a high price of men to achieve what they did.. I guess your goal could be to win without losing that many people!

Yes, I will definitely go for Siberia!

The Japanese actually captured a large part of Siberia, I believe after WWI, maybe in the Communist Revolution? But, I think it was the British and Americans who told them to give it back. They didn't want Japan to control those resources, and Japan didn't want any war with them. I wonder if there would be any changes in WWII if the Japanese had kept that portion Siberia? With all of that living space and those resources, perhaps even China and southeast Asia wouldn't be attacked.. People would've just been sent to Siberia. I wonder if Manchuria still would have been taken, since it was in between Japan, Korea, and Siberia. It would be interesting to guess at what would have happened.. Hmm.. But, that is another discussion.. I think I will go and start it in the Post 1819 forum..

Meiji-Tenno

 

[Hartmann]

Originally posted by BarristerBoy
I'm a little bit afraid that France will wind up being the Mameluks of HOI - supposed to die but usually doesn't, and therefore making Germany (or the Ottomans) much weaker than they should be.

The betatesters would surely notice!

Anyway, my personal opinion is that - in the 1936 - scenario, AI controlled France should mostly behave historically. On the other hand, any human player of France should have the opportunity to try a lot of things ... else, where's the fun? The real challenge will be to stop the Germans in the '39 scenario when time is too short for any major and thorough reforms ...

Hartmann

 

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I think the EU2 Betatesters noticed that the Ottomans not expanding enough were a problem too...

Speaking generally, I'd like to see France as being able to survive, but a real struggle to do so. Whether that's a military struggle, or a political struggle, beating off the Nazis should be tough to do.

And whoever it was talking of taking over much of the world as France - I really hope that isn't possible.

 

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Re: Re: Strategy - Germany

Originally posted by Johnny Canuck

... rocket-propelled guided anti-aircraft missiles.

Bah!

That's exactly the type of wanky tech I'm talking about.

No Offense , I'm sure I'll be wising I listened when 800 flying fortresses are raiding over Berlin

 

[Hartmann]

Originally posted by BarristerBoy
I think the EU2 Betatesters noticed that the Ottomans not expanding enough were a problem too...

SNIP

Yeah, but at this point the analogy fails. If the Ottomans do not crush the Mameluks by 1514, then this is something to be adjusted, but not a gamekiller. OTOH if Germany is always stopped dead in her tracks in the very first and vital steps, the whole WW2 game is dead.

That's why I'm confident that you do not have to worry about this.

Also, don't forget that democracies will not be able to go on a conquering rampage like e.g. the fascist governments can. It follows that if you want to go to war as France (provided the country is still a democracy) you need a very good reason giving you the backing of the parliament and the population.

Hartmann

 

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I can't wait to see how these kind of "secret projects" are implemented!

 

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Strategy - USA

Don't like playing my home country much in games, but just for kicks I'll play once very isolationist. Send that Churchill packing, once per century is enough times for the US to bail out Europe.
FDR just won't do either, get Ford (the car guy) he'll understand Germany.

Gear-up (both military & public opinion) for a war of conquest against Japan. I'll wait until it takes most of SE Asia so I can grab all those ex-European colonies with out needing to DoW on our fellow democracies. Japan, Manchuria, Phillipines, Tawian, Indonesia, Siam, etc. will be the next 10-15 states (however many is needed to make a nice orderly flag)

Oh yeah, fullsteam on the Manhatten project. So, I can nuke the first (USSR, Germany, ??) country that doesn't fully understand the New World Order; Namely the Americas and Asia are the manifest destiny of the USA. Call it an extended Monroe doctrine if you like. The old world powers can fight over Europe and Mid-East, they allways have...


It will be interesting to see how well an AI Germany will do without any meddling from Uncle Sam.


[btw don't mistake my strategies and 'role-playing' for my beliefs. I'm not as jingoistic or imperialistic as the above might imply, and Ford was a right-bastard.]

 

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I sure hope that isn't possible... The U.S. should not go on a war of conquest.

 

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I'll probably play as the US first, I think it would be interesting establishing a "world corporation" and maybe I could profit off the war...

Expansion would be needed to ensure the continual influx of resources and ensure American dominance.

This will be the rise of MY American Empire.

 

[jacob-Lundgren]

first off i do hope paradox makes it so france can be a wild card.
by that i meen as politicaly unstable as they were then it would be fun if a human player can with extreme difficulty (think timurods but all the problems and revolts in 1 month as opose to many many years) i want to try a fascist france and i am sure some others might want that or a red france.
but as far as fighting germany. i know about as much as any high-schooler can without having lived then, and i would concentrate on medium tanks over the french hvy and light and make them into division sized units. then i would take a change from history and in (37 or 38 i cant remember which but leaning to 37) the choice came up as whether to modernize french air industry or keep old methods.
old methods meening more planes now but they would suck. new method meens few planes for a year or so then many more of modern design.
though its importance has been downplayed the maginot line was the closest thing during ww2 to a line that almost must be flanked somehow or else massive casulaties would inqur9massive meenings 100's of thousands)
but anyways i would keep it as history did so i know the germans must flank it forcing them to attack through belgium or the ardenns area allowing my newly organized tank corps to flank them and destroy the majority of german armor making anymore attacks near impossible for at least a year. though this is very hard to do and should only be doable in the 1936 scenario.
in 1936 scenario france should have 25% chance of living at least a few more years and 50% of folding as fast as they did in history with the 25% chance left to something in between.
in the 1939 scenario france should have as much chance to win as the eu2 ai has of living a few years as orleans. in other words even a human should barely be able to help france at this point. short of a total revolution so you are allies of germany.

 

[jacob-Lundgren]

something fun to do would be a 3 person multyiplyaer game.
germany and france go on crusade into the soviet union and move poland 100 miles east. i am up to turning france into a fascist state so long as i can take my part of the soviet union for future french colonizing. though in a friendly way mingling with the ruskies already there.

 

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Strategy - Italy

Ah, the country I look most forward to playing.

Well, first Germany has just gotta knock France out so I don't have to deal with a combined French/English Fleet.

When that's done strongly encourage Spain to join the Axis. Then we might be able to take Gibralter and seal the med to the pesky Royal Navy.

Then its off to liberate Egypt from AngloSaxon rule. Off course
they will have to give Italy the Suez in payment for this service.

While were in the area we might as well as liberate Syria, Iraq, Persia, and the other countries round here. All we ask is some oil, well all the oil actually.

From then on out its just sinking British merchant marine and waiting for the GI's to show up.

Not very interested in the Balklands. Although, it has some tasty resources. Just have to see how it goes, don't want to overly anger the Communist Bear. Definately third/fourth priority.

I'll need a large DAK force for the above, but I'm sure Germany will provide that after I save their skins by convincing them Barbarosa is not that neat of a plan.

Subs, planes(jets, longrange bombers), carriers, ships, radar, night-fighting(naval). That's the techs for Italy. Tanks, won't waste my time, I'll just tell Rommel to bring his own.

Of course if any of the above doesn't work I'll be ready to backstab Germany and switch to the Allies/Commis at any moment.

Actually this is a similar strategy (except that last bit) as I would try with Germany. Not very inventive am I? Just obsessed with winning North Afric, and getting oil. I mean really how bone-headed is it to invent higly-mobile, mechanized, blitzkrieg warfare and then not grab the required oil resources (that are just around the bleeding corner)? Italy's fleet ain't much without fuel either. Syth oil, Bah!!

 

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Originally posted by jacob-Lundgren
first off i do hope paradox makes it so france can be a wild card.
by that i meen as politicaly unstable as they were then it would be fun if a human player can with extreme difficulty (think timurods but all the problems and revolts in 1 month as opose to many many years) i want to try a fascist france and i am sure some others might want that or a red france.

I don't know enough French history 1900-1939. But if there is a chance for France to be not democractic that would be awsome. Just think a Facist France and Italy siding with Germany and both switching sides when things get rough!

 

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Originally posted by BarristerBoy
I sure hope that isn't possible... The U.S. should not go on a war of conquest.

I don't know, in real life the US did occupy many Pacific Islands and Japan as well as 1/3 or 1/6 of Germany (depending on how you look at it). If France/Britian/Netherlands/Denmark? are out of game someone will have to defend all those SE-Asia colonies against the Communists (call it pre-emptive liberation). In time I'll give up my protectorates, that's just outside the time line of this game 48

It's not really a "war of conquest", "war of liberation" or "war to stop Japanese aggression". Someone in Washington thinks up the 'Domino theory' a tad ealier, applies it to Japanese imperialism and uses it as an excuse to support/enter war everyplace Japan tries to conquer/has conquered.

From what I've read the American populace was much more eager to enter a war against the Japanese than Germany. It's just that USA historically agreed on Europe first strategy. I'm going with a screw Europe strategy.

 

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My strategy for the Italians: not embarrassing myself too much.

 

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If there's anything like a meaningful US Entry System a la World in Flames, the game for the US is going to be very boring and passive until '41 or later. (And I sure hope there is such a system). In that time, I will try to increase my influence in the Western hemisphere and materially support the Western democracies, if under siege.

After that, I should have 50+% of world production and obviously I am going to press the American stamp on all five continents. Free Trade for US procucts, open door for American commerce, and a few Nurembergs for those last obstinate Fascists and Bolsheviks. Simple, eh?

Coca-Cola Galore!

 

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Originally posted by Patriote
My strategy for the Italians: not embarrassing myself too much.

I second that plan.