robothelpermnky's Strategy Corner

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Originally posted by KlevesWarrior

You can't commit war crimes, therefore you can't kill off the Soviet's best and brightest before the war, a mistake Stalin made.

"best and brightest" that would be Zukov and he evaded Stalin's wrath.

IMHO, executing traitors of Mother Russia is not a warcrime. [hope I'm not crossing the thread locking line here]

Not all of them were killed. Stalin kept some in prison, and brought them back when Germany invaded. A wargame buddy told me about some Soviet general who had shiny metal teeth cause the pulled out all his real teeth while in "Siberian Gulag" Don't know how accurate that is.

 

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Are you sure? I'm not entirely convinced the japanese would want to venture into the vast and cold Siberia.

But the Japanese Army did venture into the hot islands of the vast Pacific. hahaha

I guess those of use who play Japan will have to choose.. Hot islands or cold Siberia


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Who knows if it is possible, but...

My thoughts on German strategy would be to try and match Hitler's early successes (Rhineland, Sudeten, Austria), but try and stay on the West's good side. Then, instead of making Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, take Poland and go right for the heart of the USSR (preferably in combination with the Japanese).

Depending on the sophistication of the diplomatic model, hopefully the democracies should be almost as afraid of the communists as the fascists, and won't declare war. Or if they do, it should hopefully be a low-level conflict.

Once the USSR is finished, Germany should have enough resources to be able to go for France and England. As well this should hopefully avoid the dreaded two-front war.

A US invasion, sadly, is most likely impossible by 1947, but if the game were to continue...

 

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Originally posted by Meiji-Tenno


I guess those of use who play Japan will have to choose.. Hot islands or cold Siberia
Meiji-Tenno

you could also choose damp & dreary, sail around 'the Horn' and lend a hand with Sea-Lion

 

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hmmm... Just read a few comments that a take-over of the USSR would be impossible.

I disagree. Germany wouldn't have to occupy the entire country. Just take European Russia up to the Urals, and the USSR has lost almost its entire industrial capacity. Sure, the vasts wilds of Siberia are unoccupied, but are not a threat either. Hopefully you could simply establish a Siberian puppet state and move on.

 

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I doubt that you can take Poland and still stay on good terms with the West ...

It's true, though, the most fun in waiting for a Paradox game always was to anticipate future strategies.

Hartmann

 

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Originally posted by robothelpermnky


you could also choose damp & dreary, sail around 'the Horn' and lend a hand with Sea-Lion

Yes, I suppose you could..

I would probably go after Southeast Asia for resources, but the Siberia has resources too.. Hmm... I might send some assistance to Germany and Italy to assure that my allies do well and maybe try to win that war between Japan and Russia that went on in Outer Mongolia. I don't remember the exact year of that, but I believe it was the late 1930's. The Russian scouts spotted the advancing Japanese troops and surprise attacked them and it struck such a blow that the Japanese lost. If I was to win this though, more of China could be captured more easily, plus I would have a chance at Siberia.. I could use the troops stationed in Manchuria to attack Siberia (Hey, why not get a little revenge? Stalin attacked the troops in Manchuria in 45', so I'll get him first ) . If Siberia was captured, along with Dutch East Indies...

I would have to share my booty with the Germans and Italians.. Or perhaps I would be greedy..


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I was trying to think of what I'd do differently as the USSR, and really coudn't think of anything.

Sure, there are the obvious "Build up your army sooner", and "don't purge all of your generals", but those are no-brainers.

Realistically, how could the war (in the end) have gone any better for Stalin? He wound up with control over half of Euope, including part of Germany. Why ally with Germany - what can Hitler offer?

I suppose the only thing to do would be to NOT invade Finland in the Winter War.

 

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Originally posted by BarristerBoy
I was trying to think of what I'd do differently as the USSR, and really coudn't think of anything.

Sure, there are the obvious "Build up your army sooner", and "don't purge all of your generals", but those are no-brainers.

Realistically, how could the war (in the end) have gone any better for Stalin? He wound up with control over half of Euope, including part of Germany. Why ally with Germany - what can Hitler offer?

I suppose the only thing to do would be to NOT invade Finland in the Winter War.

hahaha.. I guess Stalin got out of WWII pretty good. Even in Asia, he got the Kuril Islands from Japan, defeated much of the Kwantung Army from his surprise attack, even got some Communist neighbors, China and North Korea.
I guess you could make it better by turning that "half of Europe" to "all of Europe". Maybe even add the Aleutians to your island collection with your Kurils..


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Strategy - France

Um, other than drink wine, eat cheese and wait for goosestepping Germans to muddy up the Champs Elysee (sp?) what could you do?

I'm sort of at a loss as what my strategy as France would be esp. not knowing details on diplomacy and demos ability convince the peasant rabble, er citizens, that a DoW on Germany *is* really a good idea.

I guess research/doctrine wise I would try to ditch all those defensive WWI oriented generals, concentrate my armour into one div/corps instead of spreading it all over, maybe get some decent fighters but proly not enough time/resources for that. Tanks, ATGs more important. ??

Also, try and get Belgium/Denmark/Netherlands to join allies when we DoW on Germany for violating Poland's independence. So BEF and French armies can help defend.

Remind the USA of Lafeyette, that great big statue, and tell them to quit being such isolationistic bastards. Maybe even sink a few ami ocean liners, making it look like German u-boats ofcourse

 

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France should be able to spread their forces evenly and wait for the German invasion. Given the lack of widespread general idiocy (The Maginot line can not fall! Hey, there are these whopping huge forests almost undefended...), the Battle of France is WINNABLE. It won't be easy, but it's the only option.

 

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That indeed would be tricky, but perhaps if you were able to make it clear that it was only done to be able to attack the "godless commies"...

And yes, this is probably the most fun we can have without any real game details to go by.

 

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Originally posted by Meiji-Tenno

I guess you could make it better by turning that "half of Europe" to "all of Europe". Maybe even add the Aleutians to your island collection with your Kurils..

But for the USSR to be able to defeat both the fascists and the West? Pretty tricky methinks.

 

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That's really THE question with France. What can you do (if anything) to prevent from being invaded in '40? If France can fight off the Geermans, the entire history of the war changes.

 

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I wouldnt call the loss of 20 millions+ a success for the Soviet and Stalin. They did win, but the prize was horrible, and the result an enslaved Russia and eastern Europe.

Yes, Meiji, go for Siberia, but be prepared for a rather big chunk to chew on......and dont forget matches...you got to melt the chunk first!

 

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Well, as all military historians like to point: it was the swiftness and surprise of the german panzer that kicked France out of the war. France did along with UK, make a major blunder when they deployed their best troops along the belgian border, and rushed into Belgium as soon as that country was attacked. They respected the belgian integrity too much perhaps....
Furthermore, the border facing the Ardennes forest was protected by ill-equipped reserves. An armoured-attack from Germany was simply not expected to be possible through the forest.

So, dont tell me that you cant change the duration and perhaps outcome of "Fall Gelb" (was it correct?) as a french player, by a better deployment of forces and a better use of (at that point) superior french tanks. But of course, if the game simulates a dive of french morale, even if you have managed to stop the germans along the Meuse etc, and the french government simply capitulates....well....cest la vie....

 

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More aggressive tactics or an alliance with Russia could give France a much better chance to survive.

 

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I'd call it a success for Stalin and the USSR, but part of the continuing disaster of 70 years of communist rule for the people.

 

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I'm a little bit afraid that France will wind up being the Mameluks of HOI - supposed to die but usually doesn't, and therefore making Germany (or the Ottomans) much weaker than they should be.

 

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I'd promote Charles de Gaulle and see him introduce his mobile warfare doctrines.

I'd accept Pilsudski's (well even if by then dead) offer of a preemptive strike against Germany (even if it means barging into Berlin during the Olympic Games). We're not gonna have those useless Brits hand out the dish to Mr. Hitler.

If possible, I'd send Germany right back to 1807, create a Rhine Confederation of French puppet states, exploit the Saarland and Ruhrgebiet ruthlessly. Let Poland annex a good helping of the east and beef up the Bavarians, France's traditional allies. Obviously, the Nazis are history and Hitler, Goebbels and all the other cronies put on some French Prison Island.

Once that is done, I'll massively support the Spanish Republic and send Franco packing, in exchange for France's getting Spain's colonies (not that they have much to offer).

Further, do you think a democratic France can suffer the insults of big-mouthed Mussolini. Let him show how crap his forces are! Instigate revolt in Abyssinia, Somaliland, Tripolis, Albania. Support Italian Communists and Rebels. You get the picture. A second march on Rome will ensue. Mussolini finito. May he join his Austrian friend on that French Prison Island.

What's next? How about some action in Asia? Lets expand French Indochina and bite off a bit of China. USA not delighted. Well, I'm pals with Japan and Russia.