Roaring 20's, Rising Sun, and the Red Tide (1920 - 1933)

[|AXiN|]

Wow, this sounds cool, I might do some research into happenings in British colonies/protectorates. This is an interesting question, though: Which countries should use the dominion model (Canada?, Australia, South Africa in '31), which should use the satellite model, and which should be under direct colonial control?

I'd suggest that Canada, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand be dominions of the UK. If Australia does not appear as an playable nation, I will scream *glowers at TGW*

Oh, and I'll go and get the Versailles treaties etc from uni next week, in swot vac, so I can start posting event outlines for that. It's important to note, that Versailles was the first treaty signed, and concerned the Western Entente and Germany. There are also seperate treaties Germany-USA, AH-Entente, AH-USA, Bulgaria-Entente, OE-Entente, and a revised OE-Entente.

Oh, and I'd like to nab a tag for Kurdistan, as it was supposed to be created after WW1, and a tag for a pan-arabic state in the middle east.

 

[Strategist]

DR: Have you already looked at my save game file (if it works)? You can use it to test some events, at least I used it to do this and it worked well, nut if you want to write a map, I would really like to help you, I have not looked at it yet but I think a save eug is pretty much the same as a scenario eug, doesn't it?

 

[Strategist]

I just found out that we have to use some kind of 'Unlimited Time Patch' to have the campaign running longer then to 1920, I though it could work if I just changed the dates in the game but it diddn't work because the .exe don't accepts it. Can anyone here create some kind of patch for this? or do we have to ask someone else?

 

[Elias Tarfarius]

There's already one or two out. Look around in this section.

EDIT: Here it is

 

[Strategist]

yes I saw tehm but you are not allowed to copy a modified victoria.exe because of copyright restrictions so we will need a changed version of one of these patches which changes the game enddate to 1936 (as we might decide later to push the enddate to 1936 instead od 1933 and you can change the date to earlier then allowed but not to later.

 

[Darkrenown]

DR: Have you already looked at my save game file (if it works)? You can use it to test some events, at least I used it to do this and it worked well, nut if you want to write a map, I would really like to help you, I have not looked at it yet but I think a save eug is pretty much the same as a scenario eug, doesn't it?

I haven't looked at your save yet, but yeah the save and scenario files are pretty similar.

 

[Strategist]

But when we create the map on our own we have to create a textfile for each country don't we? Same as with events only more difficult. If we do it I will create the Western European map first, what do you guys think will we create our own map?

 

[Strategist]

And is someone of us experienced in creating installers because that will be needed if we want to patch the victoria.exe when you install our campaign.

 

[Elias Tarfarius]

Not I.

 

[Darkrenown]

But when we create the map on our own we have to create a textfile for each country don't we? Same as with events only more difficult. If we do it I will create the Western European map first, what do you guys think will we create our own map?

Probably smaller than the major's event files, but yeah, every country needs a .inc file. However, we can start with the 1914 files and mod them so we don't have to do it all from nothing.

Oh yeah, about the time patch, how about asking the guys that made the unlimited time patch if they'd make us one to go only to '36?

 

[unmerged(14905)]

isnt needed an inc for each country. more countres can be included in a singe inc. even all countries.

the same for the events, and all the other things.
after all, look at the saves... all in one

 

[Darkrenown]

Well, even if that is possible, it's the same amount of work and now it's harder to find the right country's file.

 

[Strategist]

I created a lot of the .inc files. still not ready but its a start.

 

[roberd]

16 December 1922 r. in moment of opening the Zachęta, on which then the ceremony was invited the freshly staunch president. Eligiusz Niewiadomski the groupie of National Democracy executed president Narutowicz.

 

[Strategist]

DR: I renewed my progress file (in my first thread) and added a .eug and a lot of .inc's but there are stil some country inc's to be added before it will work. In the countries.txt list you can find the countries which has to be included in the .inc's, you can also look in the .eug and then selectable, but for more information you will still have to look in the countries.txt. can you create the missing .inc's? btw: in the countries .inc there is also a lot of unimportant information. You must not forget to delete the added prov's in their original countries, and to cut and paste the railroad files.

 

[unmerged(25454)]

I was wondering, what are you guys going to do regarding China? I mean, the Communists didn't really have that much of an army, except by means of guerillas. All of that territory that the Communists occupied, but really didn't have an army in, how are you going to do that? That was one of my gripes about HoI. The Communists never really had a set territory, it was just kind of some space that the Guomindang never owned, and the Japanese would get shot up when they entered it. If the communist provinces, like Yunan, were all occupied by the Japanese, does that mean that the Japanese can take all of their provinces in a peace treaty? Because that really does not make sense. Also, the Communists had cavalry guerillas, which worked really well, but how would that do in Victoria? The Communist partisans were always careful to never engage a full Japanese division head on!

 

[|AXiN|]

Well, iirc, in the twenties the CCP formed the Jiangxi Soviet, which could be included as a country, and then had their Long March to Ya'nan. Or, if you like, they could be represented by high consciousness and very high militancy for some areas. The other issue is how to do the Warlords.

 

[Darkrenown]

DR: I renewed my progress file (in my first thread) and added a .eug and a lot of .inc's but there are stil some country inc's to be added before it will work. In the countries.txt list you can find the countries which has to be included in the .inc's, you can also look in the .eug and then selectable, but for more information you will still have to look in the countries.txt. can you create the missing .inc's? btw: in the countries .inc there is also a lot of unimportant information. You must not forget to delete the added prov's in their original countries, and to cut and paste the railroad files.

Ok, I'll get started on that tomorrow. I've got a few questions though:
Are you using the 1914 incs as a base?
What new countries are we making, and what tags do they get?

 

[Elias Tarfarius]

You could have Kuomindoung China (capital Najing) and then the major warlord states in Manchuria (the Zuolin family), Sinking, etc. Then for the more minor states, those could be combined into "warlord country". If over 50% of the POP in any of these nations became communist, then you would have a communist revolution event, causing revolts in that nation until the revolution captures the captial or until commie POP are less than 30%. I would not make CCP into a nation for this scenario because that status did not come about until after the Long March (1935). Until the late 20's the Communists a) were party of the ruling Kuomindong party and b) focused their revoltionary efforts on the few proletarians of the big coastal cities of China where there were factories. Only with Chaing Kai Shiek's open aggression beginning in the late 20's early 30's did Mao's idea of peasant revolutionary armies come into use. At that time, we could have an event where if Guandong is mostly commie in the late 20's, it will sucede from Kuomindong China starting a war.

 

[Tunch Khan]

What is your situation regarding the Turkish War of Independence (1919-1922) and the Civil War in Russia?

Ottoman Empire was completely occupied by Allied Forces after the WWI and a few rebel officers declared independent Turkish Republic in Ankara and fought against France, Britain, Armenia and Greece to liberate rest of the country, Smyrna and Istanbul being the last ones. Led by Mustafa Kemal, thes nationalist officers were allied with Bolsheviks in Moscow and in return for communist gold and war equipment, gave up their rights on Caucasia.
During the war there were several monarchist/islamist revolts and the captive Sultan in Istanbul, under the pressure of Britain, raised an alternative army to crush the rebels as well.
Lausanne Peace Treaty between occupying powers and Turkey was signed in 1923 setting the modern boundries of Turkey except for Alexandria and Mosul-Kirkuk. Alexandria, then part of France joined Turkey in 1938 after a public plebicit. The fate of Mosul and Kirkuk in modern day Iraq that would later be decided by the League of Nations. However just before the LN decision a grave Kurdish revolt, incited by British agents shook Southestern Turkey and Turkey was forced to secede her rights on these oil rich cities to the United Kingdom.

Right after the war and declaration of republic, there had been several internal revolts, several islamic fundamentalist, several Kurdish and one large scale Kurdish/islamic fundamentalist through the 20's and the early 30's.
The country has gone through a major revolution under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal and rejected the old Ottoman (mostly islamic) institutions, while adopting a western secular regime.
Two attempts of establishing multi-party democracy have failed due to the various revolts and political instability and a one-party totalitarian regime would rule the country until the end of WWII.

I believe the Turkish events and wars would make an exciting contribution the new scenario.