Roaring 20's, Rising Sun, and the Red Tide (1920 - 1933)

[Elias Tarfarius]

New Scenario for Vicky - Roaring 20's, Rising Sun, and the Red Tide (1919 - 1933)

Well, the idea is simple. Make a scenario that goes from Versailles to the rise of Hitler, right to the brink of HOI but not quite. Technology during this time does not go beyond Vicky's range (almost every army was still using horses to draw artillery and had effective cavalry units). This was an age of turmoil in Russia as the Red and the Whites fought for control, the Allies threatened to intervene (in fact the Japanese sent troops as far as Lake Baikal), the Chinese republic was trying to reunify under the KMT while Japan agaitated against such happening. The threat of Soviet expansion into both Europe (sparking red revolution in Germany and France) and Asia (revolution within the KMT Chinese government and in Japan) was very real. With 1929, the threat became even more so. This is a great time to cover and its surprising no one has done this yet. Who's up for it?

Plans as of now...

Start date is January 1, 1919 - the beginning of the world's new era of "peace". The end date will be December 31, 1933.

We hope to have a map that is pretty well laid out, although there maybe some fine tunning needed.

We will try to illustrate as best we can the chaos and lost chances of those Post Versailles days with events concerning the Russian Civil War (and Allied intervention therein), the League of Nations (joining events, LN interventions in disputes, and a leaving event for the Japanese after the Manchurian invasion), Socialist or Communist revoution in Germany, The Soviet-Polish War, fragmented China, the Washington and Kellogg-Braind treaties, revolts in Africa, the Crash of 1929 (a hard thing to make into events), etc. The plan is not to hardcode history but to leave choices as fulid as possible (as long as thats realistic (for example, giving the Japanese the option to keep occupying Siberia after the other Allies have pulled out in the wake of the Russian Civil War despite the consequences).

Political Parties and Allies are something that have to be worked on and researched.

New Army and Navy Leader lists will also be required.

Mapmakers, event writters, POP fiddlers , fellow history buffs, and mass laborers please apply!

 

[Strategist]

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I support it, you forget about the worldwide no more war thoughts, resulting in the, whats its name?, former UN.

 

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I support it, you forget about the worldwide no more war thoughts, resulting in the, whats its name?, former UN.

League of Nations

 

[unmerged(20171)]

Very good idea

 

[Elias Tarfarius]

There's a tough one, how would one implement the LN. It had even less power than the UN so I guess all one would need would be events for its formation and for things like the Invasion of Manchuria (1931).

 

[Strategist]

Chooses to join the LN or not, joining would improve relations and give you 25% pacifism or something like that and not joinig would give you, say 5-10 BB?

 

[unmerged(26691)]

And if you declare war on anybody, you get an event that the league demands that you cease your actions... but do you lose prestige if you prove not to be a warmonger all that, of if you follow the inpotent League's demands? :wacko:

 

[Innocent]

How many aggressive actions did the League of Nations officialy condemn?

The organization was in reality totally useless, and could be represented through normal diplomacy. While it's charter gave it supposedly far reaching power to prevent aggression, this power never materialized. Any attempt by the League of Nations to stand up to aggression caused the affronted nation to leave the League and the weak-kneed nations of the West were never willing to use force, rendering the League nothing more than a second-rate debating society.

I like the scenario idea, but I dont think you need to concern yourself greatly with the League of Nations.

 

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Don't forget that for Germany (my home country, I confess) entering the LN in 1925 was like being accepted in the diplomatic world circus again after losing the war. The secretaries of foreign affairs Briand/Stresemann received a Nobel prize for peace for this. For Germany this was the climax of the 'Golden 20s', it was called a success being accepted in the LN, it was not like choose yes or no to participate or not.
I agree that it didn't have much power as the initiator of the LN, the US, did not join, because the congress voted against it. Without the force of the US, the LN were powerless. This could change should they decide to join in a fictional Victoria mod.
I would love to see such a project, IMO the period 1918-1933 is one of the most interesting ones of all times, though I wonder how you could simulate this in Victoria.
Try it!

 

[Elias Tarfarius]

The map

Here's what Europe should look like at the beginning...

and the Mid-East...

and China...

Areas in shades of purple and the beige show the growth of Guomindang control 1928-1937 - Shades of green show the growth of Japanese control 1918-1935

and Africa

 

[Strategist]

Technology during this time does not go beyond Vicky's range (almost every army was still using horses to draw artillery and had effective cavalry units).

In my opinion we should also create 5 new inventions of each type, one of the military inventions should add the Infantry - with mechanized vehicals; this unit will get the speed and shock of cavalry, but the other things of infantry, maybe a little more strength too, I think I can create 5 army techs and this unit, what do you think? Can someone of you create other kind of inventions?

 

[Elias Tarfarius]

How about this. We could have a LN event for the major powers at the start of the game asking them whether they want to join the LN. If you join, you get a boost in prestige and better relations with other major power. If you don't join (as the US did) you will lose a bit of prestige and damage relation with other major powers, sumbolismizing isolation. The only country that left the LN during the period of this scenario was Japan in 1931 over Manchuria. I think such an act should also get the same effect as not join since it would damage Japan's relations, at least with the nations of the West. BTW, the only way Russia could join the LN would be if the Whites won the Russian civil war.

 

[Strategist]

How about this. We could have a LN event for the major powers at the start of the game asking them whether they want to join the LN. If you join, you get a boost in prestige and better relations with other major power. If you don't join (as the US did) you will lose a bit of prestige and damage relation with other major powers, sumbolismizing isolation. The only country that left the LN during the period of this scenario was Japan in 1931 over Manchuria. I think such an act should also get the same effect as not join since it would damage Japan's relations, at least with the nations of the West. BTW, the only way Russia could join the LN would be if the Whites won the Russian civil war.

I think you have to give the not joiners also some BB

 

[Elias Tarfarius]

I think you have to give the not joiners also some BB

Hmm... I think that could work for Germany or Japan, but I don't think Wilsonian American should get BB for not joining (nations with a history of aggression versus the US, which was just aggressive in its own sphere).

 

[Strategist]

By the way, one question are we just talking about what we can do or is someone also trying to coördinate some work and get us gesign some things? I can create some events and as I mentioned before also 5 army techs (probably other techs too, I just don't have information about that points at the moment), but if I do so I would like to share them and to see some work of others too

 

[Elias Tarfarius]

Looking at the Russian Civil War, it is clear that the White armies had their greatest chance for victories in 1919. Should we push the scenario start back just for that?

 

[Strategist]

I think we should start jan. 1 1919, but what about what I mentioned above?

 

[Elias Tarfarius]

By the way, one question are we just talking about what we can do or is someone also trying to coördinate some work and get us gesign some things? I can create some events and as I mentioned before also 5 army techs (probably other techs too, I just don't have information about that points at the moment), but if I do so I would like to share them and to see some work of others too

Well I haven't gotten any pms from anyone volunteering. It would help since I have never designed a scenario before. I like the five new tech idea (maybe we could finally slip real aeroplanes into the game). I'm putting these pics of maps right now so we can get deciding what the map will look like out of the way first.

 

[Strategist]

Look here , maybe we can use their map? I have some experience with creating my own gamefiles, but for the real work I think we will need some help of more experienced VIP-modders. Should I start to create the inventions in thecoming days? I can ad army's to the map if you need someone to do that but I don't like the work of giving provs to country's. Also AI should be done by someone with experience, maybe we can ask Unknown-X for that, he modded AI in normal campaign too.

 

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Well, I could try to do the country-province associations (for the non-civil war countries) if nobody else wants... though I'm no big expert on the finer points of what was in which nation...