Rivers

[long_fella]

(Apologies if this has already been covered, but I did search and couldn't find anything.....).

One of the things that always bothered me about HOI3 was that seeing and understanding rivers and their impact on the battlefield was always difficult. Playing as either Russia or Germany I never even bothered to determine where there were crossing points. Similarly, it'd be great to see that you were "on the Don", or had "crossed the Dnieper".

So, with HOI4:-

Are major rivers going to be named on maps?
Are bridges and crossing points going to be clearly visible on maps (ferreting them out in HOI3 was hard work).
Will there be different classes of bridges / crossing points (ie volume / weight of troops and supply etc)?

 

[Ynen]

There were bridges and crossings in HoI3???

I would usually make elaborate plans with rivers and how I would tackle them, but most of the time I would find that my forces already crossed said river without much opposition...

 

[Earl Uhtred]

Unity of Command did a good job of making you care about rivers and river crossings.

 

[safe-keeper]

There weren't bridges in HOI3. There were lots of provinces where it didn't make much sense where rivers actually ran and which province borders counted as "rivers", though, so that might be what you are talking about -- provinces that look like they are separated by a river, but which aren't in game terms.

No bridges in HOI4 either, unfortunately. There will be minor and major rivers, though.

 

[Vidkjaer]

(Apologies if this has already been covered, but I did search and couldn't find anything.....).

One of the things that always bothered me about HOI3 was that seeing and understanding rivers and their impact on the battlefield was always difficult. Playing as either Russia or Germany I never even bothered to determine where there were crossing points. Similarly, it'd be great to see that you were "on the Don", or had "crossed the Dnieper".

So, with HOI4:-

Are major rivers going to be named on maps?
Are bridges and crossing points going to be clearly visible on maps (ferreting them out in HOI3 was hard work).
Will there be different classes of bridges / crossing points (ie volume / weight of troops and supply etc)?

There was a DD on this. Rivers now clearly go between provinces so you are not in doubt when you are crossing a river. There are two types of rivers. Small and big. Each with a difference penalty to combat bonus.

 

[LordOfWar16]

Rivers in HoI IV are carefully placed on the province borders this time around, so it is very clear where there will be an river crossing and where not. Rivers and provinces arent named, no. Bridges arent visible on the map, but your generals will use tactics that include local bridges, like bridge defense/offense etc.

Crossing large rivers like the rhine for example will be alot harder than crossing smaller rivers since the penalties are much worse and will slow down your advancement, so it is a perfect fallback line if you have to retreat as germany for example.

A long while back they even had a system where rivers froze in the winter and were passable without a penalty, but they removed that again since it didnt really made sense anyway. Crossing an frozen river is not really what you want to do, especially with tanks, which will slide around and could easiely break in, making them unrecoverable.

 

[Ibn_Solmyr]

I guess bridges have to be abstracted, as sometimes just a poor little bridge allows your forces to get the other side. And there are many bridges in developped/industrialized areas.. It will be handled by the infrastructure level so, and as said above, your generals think about it for you.
About combat aspect (and bridges destruction so), I guess that if your ennemies don't focus on an infrastructure diminish thanks to air operations, you can consider most of the bridges preserved. For other bridges destruction ways (sapper, artillery, special forces),it would be an all-abstracted thing, where you just see your infra level lowered.

 

[GsusNSV]

It looks like there are some Tactics, who represent the use of bridges in a fight.

Spoiler

 

[Sharp163]

That's why you need engineer divisions