Rivaled at 200 relations

[blackchoas]

Ok so I'm play the Cherokee and I'm getting close to diplo vassalizing a minor near me, I send the gift to get to 200 relations then with the vassalization on its way he rivals me, rejects my vassalization, breaks out alliance allies my rival the creek and the creek declare war on me with his support

This is silly, we were at literally 200 relations why would he suddenly rival me and turn hostile?

 

[BBBD316]

Cause you are a close threat.

I had a similar thing when I had a mission to get a RM with Aragon as Castille. Despite their hostile attitude I finally got it to the point that they stopped being hostile and just as I sent the RM request, boom rivalled and I cancelled the mission.

 

[blackchoas]

except we had shared a border and been allied for years, literally like 10 years of alliance, if they were gonna rival me shouldnt they have done it years ago when we first gained a border, it makes literal no sense for it to happen as I'm sending the request

 

[henzington]

That shouldn't be happening. I forgot which patch I want to say 1.7 they made it so people will not suddenly rival you unless they are less then +100.

 

[unmerged(761498)]

Similar thing happened when I was great allies with Ming, then when I offer them military access they suddenly break alliance -during- a war and refuse my offer!

 

[Deuterium Dawn]

That shouldn't be happening. I forgot which patch I want to say 1.7 they made it so people will not suddenly rival you unless they are less then +100.

They said that, in my experience it has never been true. Check their missions, usually when there's a sudden and massive relations swing it's because they took a mission and suddenly have claims all over your land. And/or desired provinces modifier, which seems to fluctuate alot in value even for the same province(s).

 

[blackchoas]

They said that, in my experience it has never been true. Check their missions, usually when there's a sudden and massive relations swing it's because they took a mission and suddenly have claims all over your land. And/or desired provinces modifier, which seems to fluctuate alot in value even for the same province(s).

No mission was changed, nothing had change expect i sent them a gift and requested vassalization and in the time between me requesting vassalization and them accepting they rivaled me and refused my request

 

[henzington]

Well yes if they get a mission that gives them claims then you can have massive drops in relations and it has already been stated by other people playing the Netherlands that France will turn from longtime ally to completely hating you from the Indian trade post mission.

 

[Incompetent]

That shouldn't be happening. I forgot which patch I want to say 1.7 they made it so people will not suddenly rival you unless they are less then +100.

I suppose what happens now is that large opinion penalties can appear with no warning (e.g. desires your provinces, competing great power), enough to take them below +100. Then they rival you at +99 or whatever, taking opinion down another 75.

 

[ChildeR]

No mission was changed, nothing had change expect i sent them a gift and requested vassalization and in the time between me requesting vassalization and them accepting they rivaled me and refused my request

What were relations afterwards? Was there some huge negative modifier to explain the drop? It could have been that something else happened at exactly the same time.

 

[atwix]

it can happen when they get militaristic king, or when you conquer something they had an interest in. Or it happens when you are the only rival option they got.

It can just happen