Rise of the Ghaznavids

[FreeSoc]

It was suggested once on forums as way to have a historical "horde" for western Europe. However, in game terms they are probably closer to decadence revolt than horde.

I've always thought that they (and, to a lesser extent, the Almohads) were the inspiration for Paradox's idea of a decadence revolt, seeing as how they basically were the oh-so-loved huge swarm of camel-riding desert warriors rampaging through a "decadent" realm and deposing the old rulers.

It would be possible to script an Umayyad Decadence Revolt so that the dynasty was always called Almoravid, I suppose.

 

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If Ghazna is only supposed to appear as a Muslim in a realm where there is a Muslim count, then it is not working as designed in the beta patch. In my Karen --> Persian Empire game, he appeared as a vassal to my Zoroastrian Persian Empire. Bad timing for him too. He launched his conquest of Lahore when one of my vassals was already in a holy war for it and had it all but wrapped up. As you can see from the screenshot, he got hurt in battle and became incapable. His war ended when my vassal won Lahore.

 

[Kljunas]

If Ghazna is only supposed to appear as a Muslim in a realm where there is a Muslim count, then it is not working as designed in the beta patch. In my Karen --> Persian Empire game, he appeared as a vassal to my Zoroastrian Persian Empire. Bad timing for him too. He launched his conquest of Lahore when one of my vassals was already in a holy war for it and had it all but wrapped up. As you can see from the screenshot, he got hurt in battle and became incapable. His war ended when my vassal won Lahore.

Hm... Did he appear in your empire directly? If not he maybe appeared in a Muslim realm that was later conquered, ended up in your empire and got converted before starting his invasion?

Or maybe you had a Muslim vassal for a short while, then you converted him and he converted Sabuktigin?

 

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Hm... Did he appear in your empire directly? If not he maybe appeared in a Muslim realm that was later conquered, ended up in your empire and got converted before starting his invasion?

Or maybe you had a Muslim vassal for a short while, then you converted him and he converted Sabuktigin?

I went back and checked a save from just before he appeared. It does appear to have been a conversion. Sabuktigin appeared in the court of the Count of Feranga. Not my direct vassal, but the vassal of my duke level vassal of Samarkand. At the time, the province was Zoroastrian, but the count was Sunni. I just didn't notice because he wasn't my direct vassal. The count was revolting against the duke. At the start of my save, there is a stack of about 11K on the count's land ready to siege him down. Sabuktigin hadn't spawned yet. Letting it play out from there, the count lasts about three months before his lands are all assaulted and he surrenders. This time, Sabuktigin did not appear there or anywhere else. The count was imprisoned and had his title revoked.

In a save approximately three years after Sabuktigin appeared, the count is zoroastrian and Sabuktigin is in his court as a zoroastrian. So, my guess would be that in the original playthrough, Sabuktigin appeared while that count was revolting. Either during that revolt or shortly thereafter the count must have converted and Sabuktigin converted along with him.