Rise of the Ghaznavids

[Damarrocarion]

What is this event and when does it occur?

Reason i'm asking is because I have my Ironman game going and took Kabulistan. I have converted region to Zoroastrianism too, will Ghazavids pop up as Muslims or Zoros now.

I assume i'm looking at doomstack that declares invasion of Afghanistan?

 

[Xaioxaiofan]

What is this event and when does it occur?

Reason i'm asking is because I have my Ironman game going and took Kabulistan. I have converted region to Zoroastrianism too, will Ghazavids pop up as Muslims or Zoros now.

I assume i'm looking at doomstack that declares invasion of Afghanistan?

All of the info is in events\mongol_events.txt

It seems he appears in a higher than count muslim court after 965 and before 1010

He's always muslim and has the same stats and traits

trigger = {
		year = 965
		NOT = { year = 1010 }
		
		religion_group = muslim
		higher_tier_than = count
		
		NOT = { has_global_flag = sabuktigin_spawned }
		
		[COLOR="#FF8C00"]1182 = { # Ghazna
			owner = {
				same_realm = ROOT
			}
		}[/COLOR]
	}


create_character = {
			random_traits = no
			name = "Sabuktigin"
			dynasty = 790
			religion = ROOT
			culture = ROOT
			female = no
			age = 18
			attributes = {
				martial = 12
				diplomacy = 8
				stewardship = 9
				intrigue = 9
				learning = 6
			}
			health = 6
			fertility = 0.8
			trait = brilliant_strategist
			trait = diligent
			trait = ambitious
			trait = proud
			trait = quick
		}

 

[eXistenZ2]

sorry for the bump, but can something be done about this? I was playing as muslim (abbasid caliph), and he appeared in 975, with an adventurer message a few years earlier (to which i didnt pay attention), and now he occupies Lahore with 80k men according to the ledger... He doesnt have any heirs, but killing him will just give it to someone new

 

[Jale]

sorry for the bump, but can something be done about this? I was playing as muslim (abbasid caliph), and he appeared in 975, with an adventurer message a few years earlier (to which i didnt pay attention), and now he occupies Lahore with 80k men according to the ledger... He doesnt have any heirs, but killing him will just give it to someone new

Isn't that WAD? The Ghaznavid invasion is a key part of the history of the region, particularly in introducing Islam into India. In my RoI game they caused a bloody mess...and the most interesting events of the period!

I think this may balance out when they fix the broken revolt thing for India. This is currently destabilising all of the Indian Kingdoms. You need strong Indians, they will tire the Ghaznavids out faster.

 

[eXistenZ2]

Yeah but i wanna know whether i can do something about it, since i want to conquer india as a muslim myself, and if not whether he is a threat to me as a fellow muslim. Its obvious i cant declare war cause he doesnt have attirition for his 80k troops.

 

[Ashagar]

Well like Seljuk, he appears in a court as a courtier before he shows up with army, if you assassinate either one before A they form an army or two before they successfully take someplace over your derail the whole chain of events with either one.

 

[eXistenZ2]

Well like Seljuk, he appears in a court as a courtier before he shows up with army, if you assassinate either one before A they form an army or two before they successfully take someplace over your derail the whole chain of events with either one.

Ok thanks, that was what i needed to know. Cause I once red the seljuls dont appear if there wasnt a turkish count or so in a particular region or something like that.

Do you get a message about him? Or do you need to do a regular search after 965?

EDIT: in which file are they described btw (all hordes i mean by that)?

 

[Lorehead]

It appears from the listing above that, if Ghazna belongs to a realm containing no Muslim rulers higher than counts, Sabuktigin Ghaznavid will not spawn. I haven’t tested this.

 

[Ashagar]

Expect Sabuktigin founder of the Ghaznavids to show up in a court sometime after 942 which is his listed birth date historically, in Ghazni Province most likely or in a Samanids court. Seljuk will appear sometime after 950 either in a Turkish court or perhaps as a courtier in Khazar as its suggested by some sources he may have gotten his start as a Khazar general. Seljuk's horde will likely appear in the late 900s.

 

[Lorehead]

Expect Sabuktigin founder of the Ghaznavids to show up in a court sometime after 942 which is his listed birth date historically, in Ghazni Province most likely or in a Samanids court. Seljuk will appear sometime after 950 either in a Turkish court or perhaps as a courtier in Khazar as its suggested by some sources he may have gotten his start as a Khazar general. Seljuk's horde will likely appear in the late 900s.

Seljuk can show up in the court of a Turkish (not Khazar) ruler higher than a count between 960 and 980.

 

[Prince Michael]

BTW, is he Turkish or Persian or of the culture of the Ghazna ruler? What is his troop composition?

 

[Ashagar]

Historically Sabuktigin was the son of Turk slave solder general who married his master's daughter and became the ruler of Ghazna after his master death, the group of Turks he belonged to had completely adopted Persian customs, culture and habits. In game he and the rest of the Ghaznavids are considered Persians. I am not sure about his troop composition.

 

[eXistenZ2]

dont know his troop composition, but the ledger gave him 80k men.

So if there are no turkish counts/rulers, seljuk wont appear?

 

[Onisuzume]

I found Seljuk in my game.
He's in the court of the Turkic Company (mercenaries).
And he's orthodox.

So I think that if there are no landed turkish counts/rulers, he'll appear in a landless court.
Since I'm Tartaria+Khiva, I wonder if I should be worried.

Haven't found Sabuktigin yet, though.

 

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And why the gaznavids are an horde and the kara kitai or almoravids doesnt appear at all??

 

[Jale]

Almoravids do appear - they are a maghreb dynasty and were a definite adversary to me in one game I recall. The Kara Kitai appear under another name for them - Qarakhanid. They rule Khiva through the start dates 1097-1178.

 

[FreeSoc]

Almoravids do appear - they are a maghreb dynasty and were a definite adversary to me in one game I recall.

They don't turn up as a horde invasion, though, which would actually be relatively fitting for them.

The Kara Kitai appear under another name for them - Qarakhanid. They rule Khiva through the start dates 1097-1178.

That's a different dynasty; the Qarakhanids were Turkic, the Qara-Khitai were Khitan (so Sinicised they weren't really Mongols at all, AFAIK). The Khitan actually fought the Qarakhanids repeatedly, if Wikipedia is to be trusted.

 

[ahhheygao]

The Kara Kitai appear under another name for them - Qarakhanid. They rule Khiva through the start dates 1097-1178.

Dead wrong. Qarakhanids were the first victims of Kara-Khitan when they arrived at the scene. Kara-Khitans are simply missing from the game, either by willful neglect or inexcusable oversight.

That's a different dynasty; the Qarakhanids were Turkic, the Qara-Khitai were Khitan (so Sinicised they weren't really Mongols at all, AFAIK). The Khitan actually fought the Qarakhanids repeatedly, if Wikipedia is to be trusted.

The Khitans were very sinicized and at some points had trouble maintaining their original nomadic identity... they could've passed themselves off as Chinese to anyone unfamiliar with the Han Chinese.

 

[Jale]

Dead wrong. Qarakhanids were the first victims of Kara-Khitan when they arrived at the scene. Kara-Khitans are simply missing from the game, either by willful neglect or inexcusable oversight.

Apologies, got myself confused.

 

[Damarrocarion]

They don't turn up as a horde invasion, though, which would actually be relatively fitting for them.

It was suggested once on forums as way to have a historical "horde" for western Europe. However, in game terms they are probably closer to decadence revolt than horde.