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I just finished the conversion of the Austrian Army into the new mode and need to test now. I will try and get a screenie up later today.

Question, can anybody direct me to a link with information on the Grenzers that garrisoned the Austrian borders with the Ottoman Empire? The only info I have been able to find is the number of 19 regiments in 1801. Nothing about organization or manpower levels. Any help with that would help a lot. As of now I have them organized like an infantry regiment minus the Grenadier Bn.




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Nevermind on the Grenzer information, Look at what I just found. :p

The Grenz (Borderers)

These are troops coming from the provinces bordering the Ottoman Empire (Croatia, Slavonia, Banat, Vojvodine, Siebenbuergen), initially intended to defend these frontiers. Their effectiveness is such that they are soon integrated into the regular army as light troops. In 1805 there are seventeen Grenz regiments and three fighting battalions (two in the Siebenbuergen regiments), each battalion having four companies. The regimental artillery has six pieces of three pounds. Beginning in 1806 the organization returns which prevailed between 1802 and 1804: two battalions of six companies in peacetime; a third, reserve battalion being formed in wartime. The regimental artillery has four pieces. The fighting companies have two hundred twenty six men, twenty elite sharpshooters (respectively two hundred and sixteen for the Siebenbuergen). It is to be noted, for the interest, that the Grenz regiments would be accompanied by from fifty to three hundred "Serezaner", Moslems whose duties included being military police!

Regiments:


1. Liccaner Grenzregt 1/ Gospic

2. Otocaner Grenzregt 2 / Otocac

3. Oguliner Grenzregt 3 / Ogulin

4. Szluiner Grenzregt 4 / Karlstadt

5. Warasdiner-Kreuzer Grenzregt 5 / St. Belovar

6. Warasdiner-St.Georger Grenzregt 6 / St. Belovar

7. Brooder Grenzregt 7 / Vincovce

8. Gradiscaner Grenzregt 8 / Neugradisca

9. Peterwardiner Grenzregt 9 / Mitrovitz

10. First Banal Grenzregt 10 / Glina

11. Second Banal Grenzregt 11 / Petrina

12. Deutschbanater Grenzregt 12 / Pancsova

13. Wallachian-Illyrian Grenzregt 13 / Karansebes

14. First Szekler Grenzregt 14 / Csik-Szereda

15. Second Szekler Grenzregt 15 / Kezdy-Vararhely

16. First Wallachian Grenzregt 16 / Orlath

17. Second Wallachian Grenzregt 17 / Naszod


I guess I opened my big mouth too soon. :rofl:

So I have to edit the Grenzers now. Will still try and get a screenie up later. :)




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Just a little update, finally got my Nappy leader pic done and in the game. He looks good imo. :bs Next update should be the Austrian Army screenie.



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Aw spit what the hey

Hi Thorgrim,

Did you catch my abortive Napoleonic Wars mod meant for HoI? I still got the info for that w/c includes naval and land data. Just wondering if you'd still be interested :D

My naval data doesn't include frigates though but I've got capital ship lists for most of the European powers.

Was wondering how you're handling the military - at what scale? Two reasons I've been a trifle off put by Victoria is the unexchangable leaders (as far as I can tell) and the large 10,000 man maneuver units. I was wondering if 10k can just be a 'base number' of effectives including rear area and supply personnel - either that or whittle things down constantly by attrition. 10k would be at least divisional size in the Napoleonic Era.

Anyways, if you can use the data/ideas I've got squirrelled away then I'll post them. With the release of Vicky Revolutions I think a dedicated Napoleonic mod is better than no Napoleonic game at all ;)

Best wishes,
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Richmond, well to Rise of Napoleon Redux. :)

And sure I can always use that naval data.

My scaling is going to be regimental and using the historical OOB's and unit strengths. I have taken out the AI's ability to build new units and the only units that they get will be the historical regiments that were raised. Also whenever units are raised they will get a manpower boost to simulate the enrolling of the graduating classes.

See my French pic abover and the attached Austrian one. All based off of the real units. :D


Here is the Austrian Army of the Lower Rhine commanded by Alvinczy.


Aus-Army-of-Rhine.jpg





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it looks to me as if the mods getting better and better. Bravo Thor, Bravo.

Great work. Each time, it gets a little better. good to see your using my leader pics i did and all!
 
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Wow! Looking pretty good :) Actually regimental scale is of course the ideal - my concern was the size of the units (10k size regiments somehow don't sound right) but controlling the troop raising capacity of regiments does seem like the right way to go!

I'll dig up the Naval data ASAP. Take note that they're for SOLs - I myself am hunting around for frigate lists! (if anyone's got them...)

What time period will the mod cover? The French ships did 'suffer' a number of name changes from the Ancien-Revolutionary-Napoleonic periods. While it's mainly a cosmetic change - ie. Dauphin - L'Orient (Bruey's flagship at the Nile that blew up, was also present at the battle for Toulon) - I'm not sure where you want to go with that.

Also, how do you plan to handle captured ships?

My plan in HoI2 was for captured ships to be recruitable as a separate ship class. While the middle SOLs tended to be reused, a number of ships, mainly the bigger ones would end up as guardships or prison hulks. So the ships in battle will be 'sunk' but this would include capture and can be 'recruited' the normal way (cheaper by way of resources as you're not building from the keel up).

Just a few thoughts!

BTW, this will be workable in Victoria Revolutions right?

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@ Kaiser, of course I am going to use your pics. Have no worries about that. :p You able to make some more for me? ;)

@Richmond, Any naval data you can give me is great.

The mod begins Jan 1st 1792, and so far no ending date has been defined past 1815 or so. I would like to expand it past then, but it would be hard to simulate Boney winning and staying in power. :wacko:

Only way they can be simulated is through events. In the historical battles such as Camperdown I will have the event give and take away ships as per the results of history. For example in my Quasi Naval War events between France and the US I have the US gaining frigates and the French losing them. Unfortunately no other way to simulate captures. Only have three sailing slots and those are taken up by SOLs, Frigates and Clippers. :(

Below are two example of the naval captures in the Quasi War between France and the US, First the American one and the French event it triggers.

No, it will not be V:R compatible. I don't have the expansion yet and won't till the cd version comes out. After that, I may convert it, but have to get the vanilla Vicky version done first. :p


event = {
id = 106018
random = no
country = USA

trigger = {
AND = {
event = 106017 # US reaction
}
}

name = "The Quasi War, naval war portion"
desc = "The French have continued issuing letters of marque to raid our commerce. The American response was swift, in Feb 1799 - the frigate Constellation (36) captured L'Insurgente (40), and sunk the La Vengeance (54)."
style = 0

date = { day = 15 month = february year = 1799 }
offset = 3
deathdate = { day = 1 month = april year = 1801 }

action_a = {
name = "Continue to show these French 'gentlemen' what the US Navy is capable of"
command = { type = add_division which = frigate }
command = { type = relation which = ENG value = 2 } #Combating pirates
command = { type = treasury value = 1000 } # commerce gained from privateers
command = { type = prestige value = 4 }
command = { type = incflag which = US_Navy value = 1 }
command = { type = trigger which = 72055 }
}
}


event = {
id = 72055
random = no
country = FRA

#triggered by USA 106018

name = "The Americans finally respond"
desc = "The Americans have finally reacted by sending out their small navy to combat our privateers, they have seized the privateer L'Insurgente (40), and sunk the La Vengeance (54). Should we seek peace?"
style = 0


action_a = {
name = "Sacre Bleu! Re-issue the letters of Marque"
command = { type = delete_unit which = -3 } #loss of ship
command = { type = delete_unit which = -3 } #loss of ship
command = { type = prestige value = -4 } #loss of ships
command = { type = treasury which = -1000 } #US Navy seizures
ai_chance = 100
}
action_b = {
name = "We have made our point known, withdraw the letters of marque"
command = { type = trigger which = 72059 } #Treaty of Morfontaine
command = { type = prestige value = -10 }
}

}




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Hmmm interesting... but then this basically takes a random ship away from the French and gives it to the US right?

Well since Vicky Revs does need Vicky it should do fine.

By the way, where's a good place to find modding info for HoI2?

I'll try posting the files this weekend...

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@Richmond, I look forward to the data. As for HOI2, I do not know, don't own the game myself.




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i can try to do a few leader pics for you, but i'd rather do the ones you want, instead of me going out and doing random ones....its been ages though..so they might be a little rusty.
 
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Kaiser, that is exactly what I need. I will find the pics of the leaders I need and will post them.

As for rustiness, I am sure you will pick it up fast. :p Thanks bud,




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Kaiser, once again thanks a lot. Here are the first six pics. After you finish them do you think you could post them on the mod forum? That way I have all the pics in one area. :)

Adam Duncan
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Abou-Bakr-Pasha
abou-bakr-pasha.jpg



Admiral Alava
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Beresford
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Issac Brock
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Cisneros
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So far as the Ottomans are concerned, I don't know the numbers for it but the army which would be of greatest importance to them during the period would be the New Order army, the sultan's attempt to create a modern army as an alternate force to the Janissaries. Obviously, the Janissaries hated the idea, and their resentment with the sultan grew until he tried to extend the New Order remodeling to the Balkans, at which point they rebelled and forced the sultan to disband the New Order troops, then deposed him (or maybe they killed him, I can't remember). This would all make for an excellent event sequence for the Ottomans, and it's relevant since some of the New Order troops were actually used successfully against Napoleon when he tried to attack Syria and the Holy Land with his troops in Egypt. If you want more information I can try to get some, but I'm limited by not speaking Turkish and the library at my college is almost completely useless.
 
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@Kaiser, yes you did Brock before, sorry about that bud. I will have more up tomorrow. :D But I did not see Beresford, have you done him before?

@Archaalen, welcome to Rise of Napoleon Redux, Check out the very first page for some of my Ottoman Event ideas. :D

But any ideas you wish to propose, by all means do so. Can never have enough event ideas. :D




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Kaiser, sorry about that. Here are six more. :)

Arriategui Sardinia-Piedmont (General)
Arriategui-SAR.jpg



David Porter USA (Admiral)
David_Porter.jpg



Dochturov Russia (General)
dochturov.jpg



Don Pantaleon Spain (General)
donPantaleon.jpg



Escano Spain (General)
Escano.jpg



Winzingerode Russia (General)
Wintzingerode.jpg





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Here come the lists

I don't know if you still want to use these but I'll post it anyways. Since the British, unlike many other powers usually split their tiny (usually 2-3 battalion) regiments into brigades with other battalions this may still be of use. Compiled from OOBs throughout the Napoleonic Era.

1st Guards (1st Guards Brigade)
2nd Guards & 3rd Guards (Coldstream Guards Brigade)

1st Foot & 9th Foot (Royal Scots & East Norfolks Brigade)
1st Foot & 26th Foot (Royal Scots & Cameronian Brigade)
1st Foot & 44th Foot (Royal Scots & East Essex Brigade)
2nd Foot (Queens)
2nd Foot & 14th Foot (Queens, West Yorkshire Brigade)
3rd Foot & 57th Foot (Buffs & West Middlesex Brigade)
4th Foot 2bns (King's Own)
4th Foot & 8th Foot (King's Own & King's Regiment Brigade)
5th Foot 2bns (Northumberland Fusilliers Brigade)
6th Foot (1st Warwickshires)
6th Foot & 9th Foot (Warwickshires & Norfolk Brigade)
7th Foot & 23rd Foot (Royal & Welch Fusillier Brigade)
11th Foot & 61st Foot (North Devons & South Glosters Brigade)
14th Foot & 23rd Foot (West Yorkshire & Royal Welch Fusilliers Brigade)
20th Foot (East Devonshires)
24th Foot & 50th Foot (Warwickshires & Queens Own Brigade)
24th Foot & 58th Foot (Warwick & Rutlandshire Brigade)
24th Foot & 61st Foot (Warwickshires & Glosters Brigade)
27th Foot & 40th Foot (Inniskillings & 2nd Somersets Brigade)
28th Foot (North Glosters - The Back Badge)
29th Foot (Worcestershires)
29th Foot & 82nd Foot (Worcester & Prince of Wales' Volunteers Brigade)
30th Foot & 44th Foot (Cambridgeshires & East Essex Brigade)
30th Foot & 33rd Foot (Cambridgeshire & West Riding Brigade)
32nd Foot (Cornwall Brigade)
32nd Foot & 36th Foot (Cornwall & Herefordshire Brigade)
32nd Foot & 50th Foot (Cornwall & West Kent Brigade)
34th Foot & 39th Foot (Cumberland & Dorsetshire Brigade)
36th Foot & 40th Foot (Hereford & Somerset Brigade)
38th Foot 2bns (1st Staffordshire Brigade)
45th Foot (Sherwood Foresters Brigade)
45th Foot & 88th Foot (Sherwood Foresters & Connaught Rangers Brigade)
47th Foot & 59th Foot (Lancashires & 2nd Notts Brigade)
48th Foot (Northamptonshires)
50th Foot (Queen's Own)
53rd Foot 2bns
59th Foot & 76th Foot (Nottingham & Hindoostan Brigade)
69th Foot & 73rd Foot (South Lincolnshires & Perthshire Brigade)
81st Foot (Loyal Lincoln Volunteers)
82nd Foot (Prince of Wales' Volunteers)
83rd Foot & 88th Foot (Co.of Dublin & Connaught Rangers Brigade)
83rd Foot & 94th Foot (Co. of Dublin & Scotch Brigade)
87th Foot (Prince of Wales' Own Irish)
87th & 88th Foot (Prince of Wales's Own Irish & Connaught Rangers Brigade)
89th Foot
97th Foot (Queens Own Germans Brigade)

43rd Light Infantry (Buckinghamshires)
51st Light Infantry (2nd Yorkshire West Riding/King's Own Lt Inf)
52nd Light Infantry (Oxfordshires)
68th Light Infantry (Durham Light Infantry)
2/78th Highlanders (Ross-shire Buffs ) - trained as Light Infantry
85th Light Infantry (Bucks Volunteers)
90th Light Infantry (Perthshire Volunteers)
95th Rifles
71st Light Infantry (Glasgow Highland Light Infantry)
74th Light Infantry (Highland Light Infantry)

42nd Highlanders (Black Watch)
71st Highlanders (Glasgow) *
72nd Highlanders (Seaforth) *
73rd Highlanders (Perthshire) *
74th Highlanders (Argyle) *
75th Highlanders *
78th Highlanders (Ross-shire Buffs)
79th Highlanders (Camerons)
91st Highlanders (Argyllshire) *
92nd Highlanders (Gordons)
93rd Highlanders (Sutherland)
109th Highlanders (Aberdeenshire) **
116th Highlanders (Perthshire) **
132nd & 133rd Highlanders (Inverness) **

US Navy - from SUPER FRIGATES - AMERICA'S HIGH TECH WEAPONS OF THE 1790's by Steve McQuillam
The navy of the United States in 1812 consisted of some 50 ships. A congressional committee in early 1812 had determined that a fleet of 12 ships of the line and 20 frigates would be large enough to protect the U.S. because of how thinly spread the English fleet was stretched blockading France. Ships of the line were reserved for the major military and economic powers, however, and something Congress decided the United States could not afford. *see note1
The largest ships in the U.S. fleet in 1812 were the 44 gun frigates, the Constitution, United States and President. Launched between 1798 and 1800 these three ships were built principally to protect U.S. commerce from the Barbary pirates. Because of the threat presented by the Barbary states, the United States' Congress voted in 1794 to build four 44 gun and two 38 gun frigates. (That number was decided on the fact that the Portuguese had adequately blockaded the Barbary states with three ships of the line)
Those six ships were:


Rating Name Built Year Tons Cost
44 United States Philadelphia 1797 1576 $299,336
44 Constitution Boston 1797 1576 $302,718
44 President New York 1800 1576 $220,910
38 Constellation Baltimore 1797 1265 $314,212
38 Congress Portsmouth 1799 1268 $197,246
38* Chesapeake Norfolk 1799 1244 $220,677

* The fourth 44 gun frigate was modified by Josia Fox into the 38 gun Chesapeake.

And next, the Royal Navy
Richmond