Rise and Fall: a Transatlantic MP Campaign

[Prince Eugene]

Originally posted by L G
Well i dow'ed under the impression, and before his intentions of switching sides and taking my land were made, thats just not right. Just my opinion

It's not right. It was wrong, foul, treacherous, nasty, and mean in every way possible. You are correct in thinking that it is not right.

However, I do think you overreacted a bit, but heck, didn't everyone?

As stated upteen times before treachery is part of the game and something you have to accept. Eu2 goes against the morals of life. In this case the moral "Don't get mad, get even" can be put into good use. One instance of this will be when I rip Mecklemburg off of Brandenburg for their act of treachery.

 

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The goal of the game is to defeat people. That will lead to unscrupulous acts.

 

[L G]

Which you indulge in

 

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And suprise, suprise Ryo manages to peacefully dominate as France.

 

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I am tired of being accused of behavior with no evidence! What did I do that was so wrong? Make a new friend in Vienna? That may be bad for you, but it is not unscrupulous. If you read the chat log; Eugen, Red, and Beli encouraged Austria to break his agreements more than I did. So you cannot pin that on me. I merely agreed to become Austria's ally if they broke with Spain/Venice.

 

[L G]

you were forceful with language, and spammingly.....

 

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Alci, did you not read the damn game log? Anyone who looks at it can tell that you, fate, eugen, and Sad were the real blabbermouths. Not me.

 

[L G]

your cap spam really stood out...........

 

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What? ROFL? That is harassing spam?

After the rehost where Fate invaded you, I only sent 17 messages total, 3 of which were PMs. You, on the other hand, sent 57 messages. Sadistik sent 31 and Eugen sent 32.

Most of my messages were a single word; good, rofl, hahahaha, wtf, etc. Sometimes they were accompanied by a player reference, such as "wtf Duma". Hardly a egregious crime there buddy.

 

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Ryo you seriously want me into enter this debate and ream your ass?

Ok fine then, let me make this very clear, this game became a farce when LG in his misguided attempt to suicide himself, DoW's Austria without calling his allies. What's more LG doesn't even offer battle and allows Austria to cover his provinces.

Tell me if this isn't a rational player behavior? I asked that we call this game off since LG was reacting irrationally and was feeding on emotion rather then logic. The fact that none of us could convince him to chill out and play on, showed that we needed a breather. I asked for this, yet everyone wanted to continue, while Austria was carving Venice up. There was no respect for another player here, but lets fuck Venice up, because LG was acting like a retard.

Tell me Ryo, do you give shit to your parents, do you insult and degrade your sister or brother? I highly doubt it, yet the behavior of you and alot of the players, namely Sadistik, was really appalling. And I am talking about when JohnMK joined our room here. Sadistik, you and LG joined in on degrading John, and for what, because Sad was a fucking racist and you had to act like a retard to boot? The ONLY ones in the room who even remotely showed concern for all this was Prinz and Red. Both of them were uncomfortable with all the racial slurs being passed around. And Prinz even made it a point of defending John. There is ALWAYS a line when it comes to personal attacks, in life and when your online. There is no distinction, when you cross it, you clearly show what a fucktard you really are.

Yeah my respect for alot of you plummetted after that, I can expect behavior like this from Sadistik, since he feels he has every right to behave how he feels like when he is online. But you and LG should fucking know better and not act like a retard online. Instead you have to act like juvenile's and act like an ass. So as for acting in a mature way, you can't tell me you do.

So here I am dealing with all this shit, and the bickering doesn't even stop. You don't fucking show respect to the other players, and when you argue, its none stop. With the lot of you, you need someone who will fucking smack you around, yet no one is stepping up to stop this childish behavior.

Now you got the fucking gall to tell me that I quit because Austria left my side? Maybe you should re-read those chat logs you so convienently posted and it should be evident that I was telling LG to play on and only when Austria was about to rape Venice and the fact that all of you were going to let Austria do this, and don't tell me you guys weren't going to stop this. I don't give 2 shits that Austria was going to WP Venice, by this time I had enough of the childish behavior I was witnessing.

So who is the fucking moron here? Not only do you post on these boards passing yourself off as the innocent bystander here, you have the gall to point fingers at other people and rant on about them while you act like your opinion actually count. Here's a new's flash, your just a peon on these boards like everyone else.

That's the end of my rant, so Ryo, you shut the hell up, or I promise you, your not going to like my next post.

Duma

 

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Amazing the high levels of vitrol in that little spectacle. Fucktard? That is a new one. Thanks for using it, it expands my repetoire. That is up there with cock-holster and butt-nugget. Thanks.

1) I never "degraded" JohnMK. He is my friend. I play 2 player games with him frequently and we chat all the time. You are remembering that wrong, sorry. (I cant tell if you are accusing me of this, you use the word "you" in a paragraph starting with "Tell me ryo", so I cant tell)

2) No one could have convinced LG to behave rationally but LG.

3) Most of my comments are directed at people who engage in a lot of playful back and forth. Eugen, Alci, and Sadistik. I did call you a fucker for convincing Alci to join the Habsburg alliance, but I was just playing around. I was already building a counter-balancing solution. I still am.

4) You were the one complaining about "how much this war is going to cost" you. You were the one that didnt DOW Austria to assist Venice. You could have easily done that before I got sucked into the war by the Pope. You didnt offer any explanation for why you were quitting. So I assumed you just got pissy cuz your plans were foiled. If you run off like a girl, I dont know what your problem is.

5) I am an innocent bystander until you can produce a single act of guilt! What did I do wrong? Nothing except chide LG a little with a few HAHAHAs. I never called him stupid until he quit. I still havent called him a fucktard though.

6) I am pointing fingers? I never said anything to you or LG that was really vicious until Alci said "ryo can go fuck himself like the little fuck he" and then you both quit like little girls.

7) Everyone thinks their opinion counts, but it never does. We are just tiny organisms clinging to life on a rock orbiting a burning ball of gas that is drifting through an endless sea of nothing. Life is meaningless. That being said, my opinion is just as important as yours.

8) If everyone is a peon, we are all equal, so I have an equal voice Dumb logic there Duma.

9) Regarding your next post; I havent liked any post you made so far, so who cares if I dont like the next one? I prolly will anyway. One thing though; make it better than this petty drivel.

 

[selfparody]

Okay, a bunch of things to say...

Firstly, I wish to apologise for dropping out twice last night. It happened twice on Mar. 22. Not that I really need to apologise for something I can't control, but I hate inconveniencing people.

I also wish to express appreciation for coming back for me. My connection is usually superb, but last night it seemed strange. I couldn't get msn to work either. Ah, well. So thanks.

The only reply I have that Personally concerns me. Hey Eugene, please don't say I backstabbed you. I've known you for a long time and that doesn't wash. I never agreed to let you have Mecklenburg at all. You told me not to take it and I responded with silence. I did not say anytime ever that I would let you have it. You told me that if I or my ally annexed it it would be war. But I never made any agreement of any kind.

As for the raging Austro-Venetian et al. controversy... Well, my single experience with Fate was that he lies and backs out of deals. I asked if I could have erz and Silesia from Bohemia. He said I could make a deal for Silesia only when I had a corps on it. I agreed and told im I already had a core on it. But changed his mind after we rehosted. I told him he lied and he said yes. Oh well, I live, part of the game. It's just evidence that in-game at least (and I don't know when I'd ever interact with most of you out of game) some people's word cannot be trusted, specifically Fate. But this is part of the game.

Ok, All I know of the Austro-Venetian thing is secondhand, as I got dropped for the fist time around this time. But, I would assume from my experience that he did break his promise in a shady way. Terrible, yes. But again part of the game. I would not blame Alci if his country was wrecked beyond repair that he quit. I've never liked that when Big States gobble up Small states that most of the other players get mad at the Small states for complaining of their fate.

Now, sneaky, conniving, shady, depraved gameplay is a part of the game. Makes it interesting if maddening. But all this vitriol that many of you players have expelled at your playing peers should never be part of the game. I do not want to play with anyone who calls me an asshole (no one did) and I don't want to play with someone who calls someone else any personal epithet. Especially when this behaviour is tolerated, even smiled at by the community.

I'd been looking forward to this game for a long time. It's sad that it has degenerated into this. I will give it one more chance next week. If you folks don't stop acting so childish and treat each other with some more personal respect I will leave this game as well. Of course, what's even more troublesome is that I'm sure many of you don't even care.

End of my 1 cent...Here's to hoping things will work out.

 

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As for the raging Austro-Venetian et al. controversy... Well, my single experience with Fate was that he lies and backs out of deals. I asked if I could have erz and Silesia from Bohemia. He said I could make a deal for Silesia only when I had a corps on it. I agreed and told im I already had a core on it. But changed his mind after we rehosted. I told him he lied and he said yes. Oh well, I live, part of the game. It's just evidence that in-game at least (and I don't know when I'd ever interact with most of you out of game) some people's word cannot be trusted, specifically Fate. But this is part of the game.

I didn't lie, I changed my mind. Your situation isn't comparable to LG's at all. The deal wasn't agreed to, you were inquiring and I had yet to give a final answer. It later came to me that you were a 3 province minor, asking for two provinces for free.

Furthermore, we started a new 1492 game after you asked. The reason I said "when you got your core" is because I thought that Brandenburg didn't start with one on Silesia, and later gained it through the Frederich events. I confused Peter's AOE and the vanilla Paradox AOE, sorry.

Ok, All I know of the Austro-Venetian thing is secondhand, as I got dropped for the fist time around this time. But, I would assume from my experience that he did break his promise in a shady way. Terrible, yes. But again part of the game. I would not blame Alci if his country was wrecked beyond repair that he quit. I've never liked that when Big States gobble up Small states that most of the other players get mad at the Small states for complaining of their fate.

If one can't handle defeat one should not play a small state. Annexation by your larger neighbor should be expected unless you buddy up with superpower. Venice betrayed France, Austria betrayed Spain and Venice. I expect retribution, as LG should have expected from France. My betrayal does not comment on me personally, other than that I like to play EU2 how it was ment to be. You play for the best interest of your nation, not that of others. Giving Genoa and other rich cities to Venice for free is stupid gameplay.

 

[Sable_Rose]

I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole.

 

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Its unbelievably retarted that there is so much talk about ryo. He wasn't involved in this conflict, and anything he said (which was not much) doesn't change the facts.

Fate openly voiced the high possibility of backing out of the agreement he had with Venice, and rightly so given Milan's unforseable great performance. Just handing them over for free would be idiotic, giving that much power to someone who has already switched sides once.

Clearly the only side that is pissed off about peoples "behavior" is the side that lost. That just points to being sore losers, and then they use it as an excuse to quit, which i have noticed happens more then just this one time.

There is over 300 years of play in EU, and all of them can't be up.

 

[selfparody]

Fate, you did lie to me. You admitted so. And now you're lying about that. No matter.

 

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Originally posted by selfparody
Fate, you did lie to me. You admitted so. And now you're lying about that. No matter.

Not really, he told you that you could make a deal for silesia when you got your core on it, not that you could have it, and what do you have that you could offer austria in exchange for it? You and alcy both expect alot for free.

 

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I have used the following insults: stupid (my favorite; it is short, sweet, and accurate), loser, hypocrite, panzy, irresponsible, immature, drama queen, hilarious, dumb, and blabbermouth.

Duma and LG have used the following insults: idiot, moron, dumbass (LG's favorite), dirty mouth, little fuck, cock sucker, an ass, fucktard, appalling, retard, juvenile, childish, fucking moron (a combo insult), and a peon.

There is a definitive degree of difference between the two groups. The Duma and LG insults are much more extreme than mine. Stupid and dumb are much softer insults than moron, idiot, retard, and dumbass. Loser, hypocrite, panzy, drama queen are all fairly weak insults. Irresponsible, immature, hilarious, and blabbermouth were used as sarcastic insults, not vicious biting insults. Juvenile, appalling, peon, and dirty mouth are in the sarcastic insult category as well. So they kind of cancel out with mine.

However, little fuck, cock sucker, ass, fucktard, and fucking moron are all very harsh insults. I fail to see how I have been so "disrespectful" to you Duma. This comparison of language shows how much harsher your words are than mine.

Of course, I havent even gotten into how you talk about reaming my ass, smacking me around, and forcing me to shut up. Obviously you are in to S&M, you should look at that kind of stuff on the internet, not use me as a surrogate.

 

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FATE IS NOT A LIAR

Quit calling him that! I have talked to Fate about this and he tells a different story from LG.

The deal was apparently not finalized. LG clearly jumped the gun on the Austria DOW. I negotiated with Fate for Artois and F-C before the game started. I confirmed it in 1492. I confirmed it again right before I DOWd him and only when he said, "okay, DOW me" did I do it.

LG just DOWd Austria without confirming the exchange. That was just plain bad play. Dont declare war on someone unless you are sure the deal is going down. End of story.

Regarding Brandenburg, he never said they could have them. He thought you didnt get cores until later. He said you could have it when you get cores. You told him you had cores then, so he said nevermind. That is not lying, just misunderstanding.

In both cases, you are minors asking for something free from a major. EXERCISE CAUTION. If you cannot defeat someone in a war, do NOT declare war on them unless you are ABSOLUTELY sure they are going to be nice.

Stop picking on Fate. He is not a liar and I would trust him on anything we firmly agreed upon. He gave me my cores without incident and we have had amicable relations since. I have no reason to doubt him in the future. The problem in both of these cases in that LG and SelfParody assumed WAY too much from what Fate said. LG failed to confirm his deal with Austria before DOW and he paid the price.

I have NO reason to think that Fate was trying to trick LG into DOWing him.

 

[selfparody]

I don't expect anything for free. He said make a deal. I agreed to a deal. I DO have a core on it. You guys don't pay attention, do you?

And were any of you privy to our conversation? No. So it's wise to not speak as fact as to what you do not know about, or at least to admit so at the start.