Ringworlds around a Dyson Sphere?

[Mummolus]

I don't remember if it's been mentioned anywhere but as I understand it Dyson spheres require a certain type of star, while Ringworlds require an unpopulated system with four or more planets.

Could we potentially build a ringworld around a dyson sphere?

 

[henzington]

Dyson sphere is any star. Wiz stated that you can't do both but it was easy to allow both with a mod.

 

[Talanic]

I don't much see the point of it from a realistic point of view. If you're building a ringworld around a star that's already enclosed by a dyson sphere, you're going to get next to no light from it. May as well build the ringworld with nothing in the center.

 

[Mitchz95]

I assume Dyson Spheres, like Ringworlds, can't be build around any of the "special" star classes - black holes, pulsars, etc.

 

[Jabby]

I assume Dyson Spheres, like Ringworlds, can't be build around any of the "special" star classes - black holes, pulsars, etc.

They can't.

 

[mocoman2001]

build a Dyson swarm around the ring world

 

[I am Sovereign]

I don't much see the point of it from a realistic point of view. If you're building a ringworld around a star that's already enclosed by a dyson sphere, you're going to get next to no light from it. May as well build the ringworld with nothing in the center.

You could lay a cable between the sphere and the ring right?

In Stellaris Dyson spheres are just supossed to be the best power plants there are right? Not like in other science fiction where the dyson sphere also holds incredible vast living spaces with a atmosphere/land/oceans/etc in other sci-fi Dyson spheres are at the same time also a far superior form of ringworlds.

But not in Stellaris right?
So powering a ringworld which lies next to a dyson sphere in stellaris would make scene.




I hope its easy moddable.

 

[BrokenSky]

To be fair, you could probably capture someone else's dyson sphere to build your ring world, but the problem is that the dyson sphere slowly terraforms all the planets in the system into ice worlds (NOT habitable) so you no longer meet the habitable planet requirement, I think? Alternatively you could capture a ringworld system and then build a dyson sphere, but it would terraform your ringworld into iceworlds Maybe?

 

[I am Sovereign]

To be fair, you could probably capture someone else's dyson sphere to build your ring world, but the problem is that the dyson sphere slowly terraforms all the planets in the system into ice worlds (NOT habitable) so you no longer meet the habitable planet requirement, I think? Alternatively you could capture a ringworld system and then build a dyson sphere, but it would terraform your ringworld into iceworlds Maybe?

Yes to the later they might terraform your ringworlds to ice worlds if someone is modding it he has to think about this too.


But No the first statement.

The Ring World is very egalitarian it blows up habitable planets up aswell as it will blow up not habitable worlds. ( According to the dev diary or am I wrong here?)
There just have to be four(I assume) big round things in the system which it can blow up for building materials.

 

[BrokenSky]

Yes to the later they might terraform your ringworlds to ice worlds if someone is modding it he has to think about this too.


But No the first statement.

The Ring World is very egalitarian it blows up habitable planets up aswell as it will blow up not habitable worlds. ( According to the dev diary or am I wrong here?)
There just have to be four(I assume) big round things in the system which it can blow up for building materials.

You're right. I reread the dev Diary. I thought it said that you had to consume at least one habitable planet somewhere, but I may just be wrong about that.

 

[ColZimin]

in other sci-fi Dyson spheres are at the same time also a far superior form of ringworlds.

But not in Stellaris right?
So powering a ringworld which lies next to a dyson sphere in stellaris would make scene.

Depends on which flavor of Dyson Sphere you mean. Check the Wikipedia page, there's a number of variations on the theme available.
Partly for gameplay reasons, it seems PDX went with a pretty literal interpretation of the Kardashev Type II civ definition, letting a Dyson Icosahedron be the method of harnessing the entire energy output of a star, while letting Ringworlds be the mega-habitats.

Also by Stellaris's definition of Ringworlds, they seem to need an uncaged sun. If you Dyson up a Ringworld's home star and use its power output to maintain the Ringworld, you just have a ludicrously expensive giant space station that required ripping up several planets, and at that point building a bunch of Habitat stations is probably more economical, both in game and in theory ...

 

[I am Sovereign]

Depends on which flavor of Dyson Sphere you mean. Check the Wikipedia page, there's a number of variations on the theme available.
Partly for gameplay reasons, it seems PDX went with a pretty literal interpretation of the Kardashev Type II civ definition, letting a Dyson Icosahedron be the method of harnessing the entire energy output of a star, while letting Ringworlds be the mega-habitats.

Also by Stellaris's definition of Ringworlds, they seem to need an uncaged sun. If you Dyson up a Ringworld's home star and use its power output to maintain the Ringworld, you just have a ludicrously expensive giant space station that required ripping up several planets, and at that point building a bunch of Habitat stations is probably more economical, both in game and in theory ...

You know what the emperor said to his admirals who told him it would be more "economical" to use the ressources of the second death star to build over 6666 Star Destroyers (Imperial class) from it (no joke thats an actual estimation) . Or hundreds over hundreds of Super Star Destroyers?

He said "Lalalalalala I dont care!".
Whils putting his fingers into his ears and dancing arround.

 

[ColZimin]

You know what the emperor said to his admirals who told him it would be more "economical" to use the ressources of the second death star to build over 20.000 new Star Destroyers from it?

That ... is a fair point.

 

[Summin Cool]

But Galactic Basketball guys

 

[I am Sovereign]

When a solar system would have enough planets in it you could build 2 ring worlds arround the dyson sphere. There is enough energy for all radiators of many ring worlds. Btw...why I dont have to blow up planets for the Dyson Sphere...I mean...that thing costs a lot of materials too...I mean...its even bigger...vastly bigger if its arround a big star.

 

[Sheriff Godwin Law]

You could lay a cable between the sphere and the ring right?

In Stellaris Dyson spheres are just supossed to be the best power plants there are right? Not like in other science fiction where the dyson sphere also holds incredible vast living spaces with a atmosphere/land/oceans/etc in other sci-fi Dyson spheres are at the same time also a far superior form of ringworlds.

But not in Stellaris right?
So powering a ringworld which lies next to a dyson sphere in stellaris would make scene.




I hope its easy moddable.

Well, to be fair, the whole idea of the Ringwold came about from a discussion of all the ways a Dyson Sphere wouldn't work as a habitat. So if you're going to pay homage to Niven by adding Ringworlds, you have to acknowledge that a Dyson Sphere couldn't hold an atmosphere and there is no way to spin it so that it creates gravity at the poles.

 

[Person012345]

You could lay a cable between the sphere and the ring right?

In Stellaris Dyson spheres are just supossed to be the best power plants there are right? Not like in other science fiction where the dyson sphere also holds incredible vast living spaces with a atmosphere/land/oceans/etc in other sci-fi Dyson spheres are at the same time also a far superior form of ringworlds.

But not in Stellaris right?
So powering a ringworld which lies next to a dyson sphere in stellaris would make scene.

It would be significantly harder to build a dyson sphere that lay within a star's habitable zone than one that simply enclosed the star. Those are two significantly different undertakings with significantly different tech requirements.

 

[Cri11e]

You can't build a dyson sphere and ringworld in the same system. (I think this was said in the stream where there was trouble starting the saved game so Wiz showed off features instead).
You can however build a dyson sphere and then Habitats in the same system, because the reasoning was that habitats was artifically sustained or something (same stream iirc).

 

[Sheriff Godwin Law]

But those habitats will not be able to build solar panels, because you have made your system cold, dark, an artificial underworld to serve as tribute to Pluto.

 

[The Founder]

I don't remember if it's been mentioned anywhere but as I understand it Dyson spheres require a certain type of star, while Ringworlds require an unpopulated system with four or more planets.

Could we potentially build a ringworld around a dyson sphere?

The rule is "one megastructre per system".
With the excption of Habitat, they kind of count as "small megastructures".
You could build Habitats around a Dyson Sphere, but they would most likely lack the ability to build solar collectors (same was with black holes)

All this information is from the Intermission: