"Rightful Liege" and vassal opinion

[Vivs]

So I've been rewatching the streams and there's this "rightful liege" mechanic that's been changed from CK2. Whenever you took a vassal that (in de jure terms) belonged under a different liege, said liege would get an opinion malus towards you ("Desires control of..."). However, it seems that in CK3 the vassal themself will have a malus as well, providing you with less taxes and levies.

What do you guys think of this? To me, it doesn't make much sense, either in terms of gameplay or historicity. It's one thing for a duke to be mad that you're hoarding all his counts, but it's quite another for said counts to be miffed as well. I mean, wouldn't it be a greater honor for you to be a direct vassal of a king rather than a duke? Also, it removes the trade-off dilemma: do you hoard the vassals and risk the ire of their de jure lieges, or do you appease them but lose the vassals' income and troops? Now this decision has become more schewed towards giving them away, which makes it more of a no-brainer.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for vassal consolidation, it's how I play CK every time. I think there should be incentives to do it, I just don't think this should be one of them.

 

[ShadyGuy_SuspiciousGoal]

Speaking in character as the vassal, I would find any ways I can to lower the control of my liege on me. He's not my rightful liege? Not gonna give you full tax and levy because I have an excuse. His demesne too big? Good excuse to dislike him. He holds too many duchies? What a greedy bastard. It's not like I'm actively trying to not have to give him my tax and levy or something.

Now if I'm righteous, I may be less inclined to do so, but business is business: you see an excuse to not provide full tax and levy, you take it.

 

[Vivs]

Speaking in character as the vassal, I would find any ways I can to lower the control of my liege on me. He's not my rightful liege? Not gonna give you full tax and levy because I have an excuse.

But that's precisely the point of my argument: I don't think they'd have an excuse. Being direct vassal of the top liege would make you happier, not angry; it would be an honor, not "an excuse" to provide your liege with less stuff. The closer you are to the sovereign, the more prestige you have.

 

[prismaticmarcus]

But that's precisely the point of my argument: I don't think they'd have an excuse. Being direct vassal of the top liege would make you happier, not angry; it would be an honor, not "an excuse" to provide your liege with less stuff. The closer you are to the sovereign, the more prestige you have.

um...hello...i wanna BE the sovereign. here, have another wine...

 

[Vivs]

um...hello...i wanna BE the sovereign. here, have another wine...

Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

 

[prismaticmarcus]

Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

that planet has a huge chunk of planet stuck onto it which was ripped from Kashyyyk. the vassal doesn't want to be your vassal. it's a change from 2 but i don't mind it

 

[Vivs]

that planet has a huge chunk of planet stuck onto it which was ripped from Kashyyyk. the vassal doesn't want to be your vassal. it's a change from 2 but i don't mind it

Oh, your bit about the wine was an actual rebuttal? Sorry, I thought it was an absurd non-sequitur, so I just went with the greatest of them all for my answer.