Revolutionary Republic or Empire?

[giovdb]

In the current version of the game, is it better to stay as Revolutionary Republic, or take steps to lower tradition and become an Empire? I'm playing as Spain and going for One Faith achievement.

Also, I cannot be Defender of the Faith (missing out on a missionary). If I become an Empire, can I go back to being DoF? Or does the Revolutionary tag prevent it?

 

[OmarL]

It is the revolutionary target that prevents getting DOTF.
If you want to go Revolutionary Empire, you should get the Imperials in power and be under 40 tradition, that triggers an event to fire with a mtth of 12 months.
I personally prefer Empire, as you get estates and legitimacy again and because the 25% manpower is better than the 2 tolerance of heretics IMO (even more for you as you are doing One Faith)

 

[giovdb]

It is the revolutionary target that prevents getting DOTF.
If you want to go Revolutionary Empire, you should get the Imperials in power and be under 40 tradition, that triggers an event to fire with a mtth of 12 months.
I personally prefer Empire, as you get estates and legitimacy again and because the 25% manpower is better than the 2 tolerance of heretics IMO (even more for you as you are doing One Faith)

Gotcha. But you do get this with the Republic, which is better than a straight 25% manpower boost:

If I can't get DoF I'll probably just stay Republic then. I got my Golden Age going so Absolutism is at 105%. The increased AE for me is irrelevant as I'm past the point to worry about them.

 

[KaiserJohan]

Girondists is hard to beat. And in Dharma republics can get a +10% morale government reform for extra murder.

 

[giovdb]

Girondists is hard to beat. And in Dharma republics can get a +10% morale government reform for extra murder.

Oh cool. Good to know

 

[Vulkandrache]

The increased AE for me is irrelevant as I'm past the point to worry about them.

How is 5% disc relevant if you dont have to wory about AE anyway. The other guys have -2 unrest.

Or does the Revolutionary tag prevent it?

Just enforce Religion on anyone small enough, which at this point should be anyone but Ming.
15 years later you can conquer everything and never get rebels.

 

[giovdb]

How is 5% disc relevant if you dont have to wory about AE anyway. The other guys have -2 unrest.

True. I like manpower recover speed though.

Just enforce Religion on anyone small enough, which at this point should be anyone but Ming.
15 years later you can conquer everything and never get rebels.

Do you mean fight them once just to enforce religion, and then fight them again to take stuff? Doesn't seem productive to me, does it?

 

[Fenrirwolf]

True. I like manpower recover speed though.



Do you mean fight them once just to enforce religion, and then fight them again to take stuff? Doesn't seem productive to me, does it?

its a balance of conquering stuff and converting it yourself and letting others convert for you, but force converting ten nations is ten free missionaries.

 

[Vulkandrache]

Doesn't seem productive to me, does it?

Not if you are just conquering the world.
But in a OF i can say the same about going Rev.
The Rev-CB is far stronger than you can ever make use of and you payed with a Missionary to get it.
Ergo going Rev needs to contribute to religious conversions in some other fashion.
How about getting a few dozen extra Missionaries to convert for you?

 

[giovdb]

its a balance of conquering stuff and converting it yourself and letting others convert for you, but force converting ten nations is ten free missionaries.

Not all nations will convert their land. Some are tolerant and will just keep the religions. Take Lithuania for example. Has been Catholic all game and doesn't own a single Catholic province. I rather have direct control.

 

[giovdb]

Not if you are just conquering the world.
But in a OF i can say the same about going Rev.
The Rev-CB is far stronger than you can ever make use of and you payed with a Missionary to get it.
Ergo going Rev needs to contribute to religious conversions in some other fashion.
How about getting a few dozen extra Missionaries to convert for you?

I have more than that going at the same time. I have Nadj, Teutonic Order, Novgorod, Portugal (will soon be annexed), and soon Kiev converting stuff for me.

 

[Vulkandrache]

Take Lithuania for example

Lith is one of the very few exceptions for Heretics.
As are some nations in India for Heathens if they also have Humanist.
Its not that hard to figure out wether they will convert or not, just check their religious unrest.

Novgorod

If you are using Novgorod, please to it properly.

 

[giovdb]

Lith is one of the very few exceptions for Heretics.



If you are using Novgorod, please to it properly.
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That's the plan. I just released them in my last war with Russia. In the next war I'll be feeding massive amounts of land to Nov, TO, and Kiev. And a lot of Ming will be going to Nadj.

 

[giovdb]

Lith is one of the very few exceptions for Heretics.
As are some nations in India for Heathens if they also have Humanist.
Its not that hard to figure out wether they will convert or not, just check their religious unrest.
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And FYI, I'm not against your idea to Force Convert in peace deals. I did do that in Europe to allies of my targets and it did work really well. I just didn't think of doing that as the only purpose of a war. It's so ingrained in me to take stuff in wars. Lol. Will do that though to certain countries when my OE is high. Thank you.

EDIT: Weird. I can Enforce Religion to Bahmanis (not going to do it, don't worry) but not Yarkand. Does the tributary thing have anything to do with it?

 

[Vulkandrache]

Does the tributary thing have anything to do with it?

No, you can only do it on the primary target.

 

[Reman]

Rev Republic is the way to go. Doing Court and Country earlier in the game means the Republic version has 100 absolutism, so the main draw towards the Empire goes away.

The Republic loses estates and their monarch points, but this is more than offset by the rulers you get. You're guaranteed to have the Admin skill on your ruler never fall below 4, and you can have it at 6 for vast lengths of time if you know what you're doing. The Republic also gets the very nice faction system, with the Jacobins' -2 unrest being a solution to many rebel headaches.

 

[giovdb]

No, you can only do it on the primary target.

Primary target of the war? In Europe, I was able to do to secondary targets, like Bavaria when I was fighting Serbia. But not sure if its different in Europe because of the Religious War that we won.

 

[Vulkandrache]

Primary target of the war? In Europe, I was able to do to secondary targets

Would you believe me if i said i predicted this answer?
I should not have to spell out every little detail one by one.

In Europe your secondary targets were Heretics for your Religion.
Different situation, different result.

I'm not against your idea to Force Convert in peace deals

You have Rev and Influence, you have 100% unjustified.
You can force Religion on the primary and take land from all secondaries, going for the lowest truce you can on each.

 

[giovdb]

Would you believe me if i said i predicted this answer?
I should not have to spell out every little detail one by one.

Thanks for your willingness to help. Its really appreciated. Your attitude, however, would be better left at the door.

In Europe your secondary targets were Heretics for your Religion.
Different situation, different result.

I did not know that. So you can enforce religion on heretics if they are secondary targets, but heathens only if they are the primary. Got it. Its not like this is an obvious thing for you to get so worked up over it. Lol. I bet most players don't know this. Sure, maybe with my 1976 hours into the game I should have known that, but oh well. Can't know everything. And that's why I'm here. Thanks for your help.

 

[Vulkandrache]

Your attitude, however, would be better left at the door.

As far as i remember im the guy that made you flip tables half a year ago in one of your first threats asking for help.
But it yould have been someone else flipping.

So you can enforce religion on heretics if they are secondary targets, but heathens only if they are the primary

Yes but you can always do it on Heretics, doing it on Heathens requires the Rev-CB.