Revolutionary France Map Help needed

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I really enjoy the pics. Nice eye candy
Will there be an event for France to sell its Mississippi colonies to the Americans for a cheap price??
Will the U.S be allies with France for the invasion of Canada? (1812)

 

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I'll concentrate on the actual revolution for now. If you can provide scripted events (or events that only need to be inserted into a template), that would be great and insure a swift implementation. You should be aware that there are many much more important events to take care of. For example, Spain starts halfway to a WC .

I also noticed that a sort of retroactive "limitless" time patch is necessary (looking at EUII's MES, I assume that's possible). Otherwise, I'll just have it start in "1989" and run to "2035" (otherwise, I think there'll be a mess with leaders).

 

[OriginalRafiki]

Also, should Norway be satellite or in Denmark?

Allthough I hate to have to say it (), Norway was at that time quite integrated into Danish governing, and having Norway as part of Denmark is probably the most accurate. However, Norway should definately be a revolter, possibly with its' own events to attempt to break loose from Denamrk (or Sweden) given the right circumstances.

Rafiki

 

[Kaiser Franz]

A good list! Can you suggest traits for them? I can google for them myself, of course...

KAISER FRANZ STRIKES AGAIN!
Here are some of those Traits for them!
Prussia
Gebhard Von Blucher = school of offense, Fanatic
Scharnhorst = innovative tactician,heroic
Gneisenau = administrative genius, au fait
Von Bulow = stouthearted,war college
Kleist = Drillmaster,efficient
Hohenloe = inefficient,madman

Britain
Wellington = Innovative tactician,Chivalrous
Picton = War college,madman
Uxbridge = Cavalry School,au fait
Rowland Hill = uncommonly young,tactful
Isaac Brock = Innovative Tactician,au fait
Thomas Graham = daring,proffesor
Edward Pakenham = uncommonly young, gallant

Austria
Archduke Karl = same as in Vic (both were in the Napoleonic wars!)
Archduke Johan = same as in Vic
Karl Mack = Heroic,administrative genius
Schwarzenburg = drillmaster,school of the bayonet
Alvintzy = old school, smart
Wurmser = effiecient,school of defense

France
Naopleon = eccentricc genius,resourceful or innovative tactician, au fait
Ney = school of fire,daring
Murat = cavalry school, arrogant
Grouchy = school of the bayonet, daring
Davout = brilliant,eccentirc genius
Soult = school of firepower,energetic
Suchet = generals aide,soldierly
Kleber = school of offense, au fait
Jean-Babtiste Eble = Engineer,skilled

These are just a few, but i think you get the idea from these examples, many of the backgrounds and personalities are taken from Bios i have read. Hope this can be of help!

 

[Kaiser Franz]

I there a chance of seing some more screenies, maybe of America, all of Europe, South America? Just interetsed to see how the map is coming along...
Also check out this web site...www.Napoleonguide.com, it has bios of leaders, maps, armies, info on the powers involved, etc,etc,etc, its a really good site that we can use for this mod! hope this helped in the resaerch department!

 

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America coming soon (it's mostly yellow, though ).

BUT, I diverged and did some Prussian leaders. What do you think of the service times?

Scharnhorst

1801-1813

Kleist:

1793-1820

Hohenloe (accidentally saved as jpg )

1770-1806

Gneisenau:

1786-1833

von Bülow:

1772-1816

von Blücher:

1786-1819

Couldn't find color pictures for Hohenloe and Bülow (in fact, that's the only Hohenloe one I found at all )

 

[Kaiser Franz]

well done! they are very good, but perhaps we should keep looking for better pics just in case, nice any way though! Service dates look accurate.
So anything else you need me to do? I can't do event scripting but i can do some research or something.......what else do you want me to do?
If you need me, call!

edit : if you look on the graphics forum under leaders theres a guy that did stunning new pics of Erz. Karl and Johan as well as Tegethoff, he could help touch up those pics to make them richer in colour etc. i can't remember his name though.....

 

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Edit: Forget what was standing here - I actually had look at his work... astounding!

As to what you can do:
Well, know little of the OOBs for the startdate (as of now, 1789). Number of men would already suffice if necessary - both AI and player will shift their divisions around pretty fast anyway (this also includes mobilization pools!).

And even if you can't script events, you can always propose ones . Actually scripting them once I know what they should do is really easy.

Party files also need updating.

 

[Kaiser Franz]

Heres an event for Naopleons invasion of Egypt
This should be around early 1798....
France gets an event for invading :
2 options :
A. Invade Egypt! = war with Egypt, add 2 div's, prestige +25
B. Leave Egypt for the someone else! = prestige -20 prestige

When France goes for option A, they get this event :
France Invades!
3 options :
A. Fight on to the last man! Prestige +8, add 3 irreg, 2 Cav
B. Beg for aid from the Turks and British! Prestige -2, 3 Inf Div's, 2 Cav's, a few techs and some Brit and Turk Leaders
C. Surrender now, save the country before its destroyed! Prestige -25, Egypt looses the Med coast to France, and becomes a French satellite.

Similar Brit and Turk events as well, any ideas?

 

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A question to Asharak.Whats that orange/pink little country ? Is that Saxony ?

And another question with the name WLA ? Shouldnt that be part of Austria ?

 

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Which pink do you mean? The one below Prussia is indeed Saxony. The one below Hannover is ahistorically large Lippe-Detmold. I extended some minors, so they all were annexable (i. e., didn't have more than three provinces). The area marked WLA (should be WAL, as it uses the Wallonia TAG) was a not in the Austrian Netherlands (there were a lot of little pockets in them, too, which can't be represented in Vicky).

BTW, in the meantime, I noticed the currently unused Ruthenia and Siebenbürgen TAGs, which will replace BEL and LUX.

 

[Kaiser Franz]

Some Ideas for Events

Major events i can think of :
NAOPLEONIC
Napoleons coup in 1800, that made him 1st Consul
Napoleon crowning himself Emperor in 1806 i think
Marshal Murat was made King of Naples of Duke of Naples,can't remember
Napoleons son from Marie Louise was made King of Italy
Naopleon banished to Elba
Naopleon escapes from Elba
100 days campaign (Waterloo)
1812 Invasion of Russia
Peninsular War against Spain,Portugul and Britain
Jospeh Bonaparte placed as King of Spain instead of Ferdinand, the prince of Asturias, who is popular with the people
Grand Duchy of Warsaw created
War of 1812 between USA and Britian
1805-1825: Spanish colonies in South America rebel and gain independance
San Martin and Simon Bolivar
1814: Von Scharnhorst builds up the Prussian army under the nose of the French, after they were forced to sign a peace with the French. Few techs, add 2 Divs etc.

BRITISH
Peterloo Masacare in 1816 or something like that - Manchester,a crwod protesting against something was attacked by Govt. Cavalry troops

REVOLUTION
Louis XVI Executed in 1794....
Marie Antionette executed soon after her Husband
The reign of Terror
Robspierre takes power
Robspierre is executed and terror ends
France declares war on Austria and Prussia in 1794
Attempted royalist coup in Paris put down by Napoleon
Battle of Valmy, small French force beats larger Austro-Prussian force, could add extra morale and Org to French div's
French invade Austrian Netherlands
Egyptian campaign, 1798-1800
National Assembly
Rights of Man
Slavery abolsihed in French colonies (ignored by plantation owners, slaves rebel)
Bastille stormed
Louis XVI tries to escape
Louis XVI imprisoned at Tulleries palace, or a smiliar sounding palace

If i can think of any more i will post them!

 

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Lord Asharak what about posting a pic about the map of American continent ?

Oh and btw should Bukhara exicst instead of the Uzbeks ?And should province of Limburg be with the Batavian Republic ? And why did you make Afghanistan so big ?

 

[Kaiser Franz]

well i have a bit of money and i was thinking of geting Times atlas of world history......perhaps it could help. I'm going on a shopping expedition so i might get the chance to buy it. It could help us with the exact map deatails and battles etc. Also info on the different civs and countires around at the time and the politics etc...

 

[tombom]

I own the Times Atlas of European History if that could be of any help.

 

[Axelthorpe]

Nice work Asharak

I don't know if you're done with Europe yet but I just wanted to point out that Norway was a part of Denmark until 1814 and Finland a part of Sweden until 1809.

 

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Finland is already implemented as is . Norway I initially wanted to be satellite, but it seems you're right .

Do you know anything about the borders of Poland? Especially whether it should have access to the Black Sea. Remember this is before the Second Partitioning.

 

[Kaiser Franz]

This is from a map around 1792
firstly Poland shouldn't have a coast with the Black sea, is Neufchatel in the Vicy map, if so thats part of Prussia
Sardinia Piedmonte should be called Savoy, 2 sicillies is called Kingdom of Naples, Tuscany is part of Austrian lands, Republic of Genoa is on coast of were SP should have a coast.
Austria controls Milan but there isn't a joing between Tirol and Milan, Venice goes from Adriatic coast to broder of Switzerland. Augsberg belongs to Saxony...
wait i have it, check out Naopleonguide.com and look at the maps section, there is an animated map which goes from 1792 to 1820! all you've gotta do is download it install it and look at the maps for info! hope this could be of help. the map is called Centennia or something like that! look out for it on the web site i gave you!

 

[Kaiser Franz]

Franz: Anything you can provide would be much appreciated .

Ok, here are some screenshots of the map... I'm least sure about the Middle Asian states (where I put the Uzbeks and Kazakhs, actually Khiva and Bukhara ).

For the German minors, I used up all of the not-so-free TAGs in the area (SGF, NGF, LUX, WAL, BEL, FLA). Luckily, the "Palatinate" is in Bavaria anyway ). Also, should Norway be satellite or in Denmark?

In Italy, I'm not sure whether Lombardia should be independent:

And finally, Georgia. Should Daghestan be a seprate state (using the ARM tag, most likely?)

(North America is also pretty much done, except on how far north Louisiana and Canada should already be colonized).

Edit: Forgot Poland!

I found some problems with the map! and some revisions!
firstly land outside of Prussia that they should own : your version of mainland Prussia is correct, here are the ares owned by Prussia outside of Prussia itslef :
Neuchatel
Bayreuth
Emden
Kleve
Siegburg
Siegen
Koblenz
Minden

Land owned by Saxony :
Gorlitz
Torgau
Halle
Erfurt
Augsberg
Trier
Aachen

Austria :
Lingen
Onsabruck
Munster
Milano
Livorno
Firenze
Siena
Krakow

Venice :
Bergamo
Brescia
Verona
Padua
Venezia
Treviso
Udine
Pola
Zadar
Spliff
Dubrovnik
Kotor

Brunswick :
Bruanschwieg
Gottingen

Russia :
Moldova
Wallachia
Balta
Odessa
Cerkassy

Nassau :
Saarbrucken

Poland :
Kiev

Hope this can be of help

 

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It's certainly of help! Though note that the all the blue in Germany is already Prussian - I was unsure about giving Minden to its theoretically correct owner, as the province is a little large. Hmmm... I might reconsider that... As for Göttingen, notice the blob of Hannover south of Brunswick; this is represented by the Göttingen province.

Also I think Kiev should stay in Russia. The city was certainly in Russia according to my map, even before the First Partitioning, and although it creates an ugly bulge in Poland, I'd rather keep it there .

Although the 1792 map shows Walachia and Molodova in Russia, I think they were still tributary states to the Ottomans in 1789.

Otherwise, excellent points.