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Im preparing for some war when all of a sudden a *100% loyal* duke goes independent and i need to kill him...then 6 months later another 100% loyal duke does the same thing....this seems to be event driven...but why would brandenburg go independent from germany !. Shouldn't they not revolt at all on 100% ?
 

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DivineShadow said:
Im preparing for some war when all of a sudden a *100% loyal* duke goes independent and i need to kill him...then 6 months later another 100% loyal duke does the same thing....this seems to be event driven...but why would brandenburg go independent from germany !. Shouldn't they not revolt at all on 100% ?

Although i love crushing rebellions it just shouldn't happen on 100% loyalty especially within your own country.
 

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DivineShadow said:
....this seems to be event driven...?
I think this is the one in the realm disruption events. I agree with what you say, I had three of them in 1069 followed by two in 1070. It does seem a little extreme.

It was only stopped by what I think is probably rather an exploit, i.e. making peace with a couple of rather of pathetic little revolting vassals who had claims on the Kingdom of Germany I took all their actual property but left them with their claim on the kingship (much good may it do them!). This gave me a massive surplus on peace score which converted into thousands of prestige. The realm disruption revolts stop completely at 5000 prestige.

The combination of these effects ends up as a short make-or-break period during which one must run around crushing vassals fast or face a complete breakdown of the empire but after which one can forget about the issue completely.

Similarly the real disruption events for middle east and north Africa are a big disincentive to crusading, this combines with the reduction in threat to piety level to make crusades fairly pointless and unnecessary at the moment.

I feel the MTTHs on these should probably be increased quite a bit, and at least some attention paid to the vassals loyalty level, then the peace value exploit could be closed though I guess the latter would be a code change?
 

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I think this is the one in the realm disruption events. I agree with what you say, I had three of them in 1069 followed by two in 1070. It does seem a little extreme.

It was only stopped by what I think is probably rather an exploit, i.e. making peace with a couple of rather of pathetic little revolting vassals who had claims on the Kingdom of Germany I took all their actual property but left them with their claim on the kingship (much good may it do them!). This gave me a massive surplus on peace score which converted into thousands of prestige. The realm disruption revolts stop completely at 5000 prestige.

The combination of these effects ends up as a short make-or-break period during which one must run around crushing vassals fast or face a complete breakdown of the empire but after which one can forget about the issue completely.

Similarly the real disruption events for middle east and north Africa are a big disincentive to crusading, this combines with the reduction in threat to piety level to make crusades fairly pointless and unnecessary at the moment.

I feel the MTTHs on these should probably be increased quite a bit, and at least some attention paid to the vassals loyalty level, then the peace value exploit could be closed though I guess the latter would be a code change?

It wasn't helpful as i was making good on my *king of france* *king of poland* *king of hungary* claims at the same time as the vassals began to drop off...Maybe it's because i spent all my prestige making claims? I've gone down from 9,000 to 100 prestige grabbing french claim.
 

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DivineShadow said:
It wasn't helpful as i was making good on my *king of france* *king of poland* *king of hungary* claims at the same time as the vassals began to drop off...Maybe it's because i spent all my prestige making claims? I've gone down from 9,000 to 100 prestige grabbing french claim.


Revolts happen more with lower prestige, and also more when you hold multiple king titles to the best of my knowledge. I guess your vassals figure you are spread more thin with more kingships, and so are less likely to take the effort to stop them.
 

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Revolts happen more with lower prestige, and also more when you hold multiple king titles to the best of my knowledge. I guess your vassals figure you are spread more thin with more kingships, and so are less likely to take the effort to stop them.

They didn't seem to like the idea i just made myself king of venice (i just HAD to get that province it looks so rich).
 

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The multiple king titles currently don't affect realm disruption, but they will in a beta patch or two.
 

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The multiple king titles currently don't affect realm disruption, but they will in a beta patch or two.

The vassals should *at least* be on 85% disloyal before they even consider any revolt of any kind. A 100% devotedly loyal duke wouldn't just revolt over a minor border dispute.
 

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It depends what is your primary kingtitle and where your demesne is.

If you are emperor of Byzantium and your demesne is in Asia Minor, then Brandenburg is far away, so why would it not want to be independent.
 

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Veldmaarschalk said:
It depends what is your primary kingtitle and where your demesne is.

If you are emperor of Byzantium and your demesne is in Asia Minor, then Brandenburg is far away, so why would it not want to be independent.

I was king of germany, italy, burgundy, venice when a vassal a month started to rebel. (On 100% loyalty i might add)

I've played 1.04a for a long time and not used to a totally loyal vassal just waking up one morning and deciding he doesn't want to be part of germany and takes berlin with him. :eek:
 

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Are you sure there wasn't an event shortly before.

There are events which make some/one of your vassals loyalty drop to zero. In the event text it doesn't always say the right vassal I believe.

Also since your king of Germany he will be coming back, begging for mercy. Once you have a decent reputation or your current ruler or the rebels current ruler dies, it will ask to become your vassal again.
 

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Veldmaarschalk said:
Are you sure there wasn't an event shortly before.

There are events which make some/one of your vassals loyalty drop to zero. In the event text it doesn't always say the right vassal I believe.

Also since your king of Germany he will be coming back, begging for mercy. Once you have a decent reputation or your current ruler or the rebels current ruler dies, it will ask to become your vassal again.

This was not a normal rebellion...it was a *this guy has declared independence....shall we A. attack him!!, b, let him go in peace*

I obviously attacked :)

(It was event driven and the event itself made him independent when i pressed attack button)
 

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A rather stupid vassal then, declaring indepence from the mighty king of germany, italy etc. etc. etc. :rofl:
 

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Veldmaarschalk said:
A rather stupid vassal then, declaring indepence from the mighty king of germany, italy etc. etc. etc. :rofl:

He was 100% loyal it's an event that does it for no reason happens quite often...i've gone into events folder and deleted the event in question and i don't get any problems now....
 

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But then again, people just do things without reason.

What was the eventnumber ? Or in which eventfile was it ?
 

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Enravota said:
btw is it posible to target the events for the vassals of secondary titles. i mean that the Italian duchies would separate from HRE faster than German princes

it must be possible since you get loads of stuff if you have byzantine as your secondary title...
 
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i think that the % should be removed from the game.. what do i care that my vassal is 43.7% loyal or 44%. You have the text saying the status anyway.

what happened to me - as kingdom of lithaunia i took over bohemia. all the 5-6 provinces i made part of my demense. then started giving out titles.. after i gave out 3-4 titles, the counts started going independent like mad. they stopped after i created the title king of bohemia.. this sux because i was bordering the newly acquired provinces.. anyway :)