Revolting Vassals

[HermannVonSalza]

If one wins a war against a revolting vassal, one usually gets the option to imprison him - if I check historical developments though, it was usual that revolting vassals would be stripped of parts if not all their titles.
Any way to mod the game code to have a "request main titles" peace option against a defeated revolter - (except if the war started because we tried to emprison him, a bit too open to exploit otherwise)

 

[JonStryker]

You want something that's already in the game. You get one free revocation when you defeat a revolting vassal.

 

[tuareg109]

If they're beautiful, yeah, I'll let them go; if they're revolting, they'll never see the light of day again.

 

[The_Blind_One]

If they're beautiful, yeah, I'll let them go; if they're revolting, they'll never see the light of day again.

why?

just so he can die in your prison and have his ambitious heir take over all his lands with a spitting hatred towards u and a total repeat of the whole mess?

nah I'll ransom him if he made a mistake or I'll revoke his shit if his dynasty is only a pain.

 

[tuareg109]

why?

just so he can die in your prison and have his ambitious heir take over all his lands with a spitting hatred towards u and a total repeat of the whole mess?

nah I'll ransom him if he made a mistake or I'll revoke his shit if his dynasty is only a pain.

No, no, you misunderstand my meaning in the word "revolting".
https://www.google.com/search?q=rev...sugexp=chrome,mod=16&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
See definition #2

In any case, heirs of your lifelong prisoners bear no animosity toward you for your past actions. It's totally unrealistic, but whatever.
A man whose father was imprisoned when he was 13 and has now died 35 years later doesn't hate you at all for the imprisonment.
I love it.

 

[Bob_the_Insane]

The game values the titles above all else (I think)... Revoking a title should not be seen as impacting an individual, but rather a whole dynastic and family line. You get a free revoke to "punish" a traitor sure, but it is less of an impact on the dynasty to execute a traitor to force succession than it is to revoke any additional titles from him...

Also lets not forget that (with the right Crown Authority) you can revoke all you want but you can't expect your vassals to be impressed and love you are the same time, thus the negative opinion modifiers...

 

[Ahaz Flagg]

Do not be afraid to be a tyrant, so what, they hate for a few years. You should be fine, you have your holding tax base. I am mean when it comes to my vassals!! If I cannot revoke all they have in one go, banish works for that. Show them who is boss!! Eventually they will understand you rule, and there will be no more revolts. But on serious note, I do not go for blobs, so am always small, and I setup lord/mayors and counts so they cannot create duchies. I am now at 152 years with no revolts at all. I am thinking lord mayors might need a nerf or buff depending on where you sit on the fence.

 

[Magnive]

You ought to be able to force someone who revolts to abdicate to a member of their dynasty with claim on their titles or their children

 

[ghouti]

If one wins a war against a revolting vassal, one usually gets the option to imprison him - if I check historical developments though, it was usual that revolting vassals would be stripped of parts if not all their titles.
Any way to mod the game code to have a "request main titles" peace option against a defeated revolter - (except if the war started because we tried to emprison him, a bit too open to exploit otherwise)

The "Enforce demands" peace, gives you things acording to the CB you used.

You can edit the opinion_modifiers and set the following

declared_war = {
opinion = -25
months = 160
banish_reason = yes #
}

It means that if a vassal declares a war against you... if he looses you will be able to imprison him and banish him from your lands w/out penalty.
I warn you, this will make the game super easy, so i dont advice you to do it.

 

[Bob_the_Insane]

You ought to be able to force someone who revolts to abdicate to a member of their dynasty with claim on their titles or their children

You sort of can... it is the little button with the axe on it in the prisoner UI..

 

[Magnive]

You sort of can... it is the little button with the axe on it in the prisoner UI..

Oh my, I never knew about that before now

 

[HermannVonSalza]

Missed that, or maybe that disappeared in the mods (CK2+ or Lord & land with balansegang)

 

[shypixel]

Vassals have always been revolting, now they're rebelling!


- with apologies to Dragonheart - even crappy movies can have one good line

 

[Fishy101]

I am confused. I just put down a rebellion where the rebel leader offered to lose some prestige and be imprisoned to end the revolt. I accepted the offer. After that when I checked my prison it included a whole bunch of dukes which were part of the rebellion. I then tried to revoke a title. When I tried to do that it said I will have a -20 to opinion for being a tyrant. So how do you revoke a title without incurring this -20 penalty?

 

[Bob_the_Insane]

if the Duke's joined the revolt as "allies" then they are not technically traitors... If you had won they would not have gained independence from you...

Of course you may still feel annoyed at them for fight you and you are free to express your displeasure by leaving them locked up until they die or, my personal favourite, having them excommunicated and then executing them with no penalty (first checking that whoever inherits actually like you already)...

Sometimes it is worthwhile check whether they still have a positive opinion of you and if so either ransoming or just releasing them...

I still get a little confused over individual revolts (when Imprisoning or Revoking fails), plot based revolts (plotting to revoke a title?), and faction revolts. As in who counts as a traitor based on what type of revolt?

For faction revolts I recently put down a large Independence revolt playing as the Byz Emperor. I have like 140 vassals (lots of counts) and ended up with 22 rulers in prison after beating it. Most where labelled as traitors in that case, only the barons I had captured (not direct vassals) where not labelled as traitors...

 

[Blitzzer]

if the Duke's joined the revolt as "allies" then they are not technically traitors... If you had won they would not have gained independence from you...

Wrong. If it's a rebel alliance vs liege and the rebels win, they all become independent. And if they lose, well, they'll all be traitors.

BUT: if one of the rebel alliance leaders dies during the revolt (not the main instigator mind you), while that leaders heir will continue to oppose you, he/she will not be branded a traitor and thus you cannot revoke titles from him/her.

 

[Kaiser Ludwig]

BUT: if one of the rebel alliance leaders dies during the revolt (not the main instigator mind you), while that leaders heir will continue to oppose you, he/she will not be branded a traitor and thus you cannot revoke titles from him/her.

Which should be fixed, IMO. When that happens the heir should have the option to continue the war or be loyal, rather than continuing a war he might very well be against.

 

[Bob_the_Insane]

Wrong. If it's a rebel alliance vs liege and the rebels win, they all become independent. And if they lose, well, they'll all be traitors.

BUT: if one of the rebel alliance leaders dies during the revolt (not the main instigator mind you), while that leaders heir will continue to oppose you, he/she will not be branded a traitor and thus you cannot revoke titles from him/her.

So do allies never join revolts? Or does it depend on the trigger for the revolt (or not)?

 

[Malibu Stacey]

Which should be fixed, IMO. When that happens the heir should have the option to continue the war or be loyal, rather than continuing a war he might very well be against.

That's almost as annoying as when someone who you're pressing a strong claim against dies during the war. Suddenly the casus belli is no longer valid so the war ends. Oh really? Did the person with the strong claim suddenly lose it? Nope I can declare war using the exact same casus belli on the heir of the previous war target.

Apparently a title passing from one person to another ended wars instantly back in medieval times. Who knew?

 

[aniuby]

I think your ability to imprison/revoke titles of the rebelling vassals is affected by whether you agreed to a white peace or the surrender of the rebels.

I recall that when I agreed to a white peace in one independence war, only the faction leader was imprisoned. Never again. When I next fought an independence war, I rejected their pathetic peace offers and beat them down to 100% warscore, and was able to imprison and revoke titles from every single one of the rebelling vassals except those whose original leader had died during the course of the independence war.

Also, did your ruler die during the course of the independence war? Not necessarily from death in battle, but for any reason. This seems to mess with the casus belli and what you're able to do to your vassals after you've imprisoned them. For example, I wanted to imprison a troublesome lord but failed, causing him to rebel. Before I could siege him down, my ruler died, and his successor was unable to revoke the title from the rebelling lord.

I think the threshold of positive relations needed with a vassal to dissuade them from joining rebellious factions needs to be much lower. Until they fix this, I will simply throw every troublesome and potentially troublesome vassal in jail regardless of relations, unless I need them to produce a heir to avoid getting inherited by another vassal. Or if their successor has the potential to be even more troublesome than they were.