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Gave this ago today and managed to Revoke by 1521. Never done a WC before so going to give it a go with this start, as gamey as it may be

I have a few questions however that hopefully someone can help with

1) On forming Russia I still have Lithuanian ideas, is this meant to happen? I had hoped to move over to Russia's ideas
2) To take advantage of overseas coring is it best to release a Russian vassal (Perm) and snake him down to the Caspian Sea? Before doing this do I need to keep a province to the right of him to allow me to core?
3) With the HRE vassal swarm is it best practice to have essentially perpetual war and feed whoever is bordering the target?
 

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1) On forming Russia I still have Lithuanian ideas, is this meant to happen? I had hoped to move over to Russia's ideas
Yes. Forming Russia, like forming France, Germany, or Great Britain, never changes your ideas. (The design idea being that a Novgorod-formed Russia should feel different to a Muscovy-formed Russia.)
 

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2) To take advantage of overseas coring is it best to release a Russian vassal (Perm) and snake him down to the Caspian Sea? Before doing this do I need to keep a province to the right of him to allow me to core?
3) With the HRE vassal swarm is it best practice to have essentially perpetual war and feed whoever is bordering the target?

I can answer both... If you're going for a WC, the optimal way to do it is to identify low-development provinces you can release as European vassals and take those yourself. Core them, add them to the empire and release them as new HRE vassals. Do this as much as you can, as every vassal adds to the swarm and gives you another nation to core provinces with. It's especially important to release as many eastern european vassals as possible, as they'll have a much easier time helping out in African/Asian wars.

To keep overseas coring, you just need Africa/Asia to not have a land connection to your capital. If you do what I suggested above, that will be easy.

In my last HRE game, I ended up with 7 european vassals snaked all the way to the chinese coastline. Even then, I usually had 90%+ OE on myself and 3-4 of the vassals at all times.
 

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Is Westphliia still cheesy? If yes: Start as a dutch minor. Conquor provinces for forming Dutch and Westphalia. Move capital to Westphalian region. Just click the button to switch between Dutch and Westphalia untill you have enough IA to revoke.

Dont know if it is easily possible: Starts as Austria, go for the BI, move capital to dutch province and culture shift to Dutch (Dont know if this is easily doable*). Conquor the 5 province in the requirements for forming Westphalia. Move capital to one of those province and go from Austria - Dutch - Westphalia - Dutch - Westphalia - .... Expanding through Hungary to Serbia, Bosnia and Ragusa is also easily doable, so you can add more provinces to the HRE everytime.


* Based on the wiki: Dutch has 106 devolopment, Austrian 158. I dont know if you own all Austrian provinces at the start of the game, but it seems like you have to make around 3-4 provinces Dutch before you are be able to culture shift. After BI there are some Flemish provinces you can easily convert to Dutch. With the neighbor bonus you get a discount of 25%


Doesnt really works. Westphalia. Into the Westphalia decision, you have 'Capital set to Kassel' and Kassel isnt in the Westphalian region. So after Austria - Dutch - Westphalia - Dutch you have to replace your capital into the westphalian region every time you form Westphalia. So it will cost some more ADM for moving capital.

But Lithuania -> Commonwealth - Ruthenia -> Russia requires also ADM. Moving your capital sereval times, recovering from stab hits.

Revoking around 1515 seems as early as possible.
 

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Gave this ago today and managed to Revoke by 1521. Never done a WC before so going to give it a go with this start, as gamey as it may be

I have a few questions however that hopefully someone can help with

1) On forming Russia I still have Lithuanian ideas, is this meant to happen? I had hoped to move over to Russia's ideas
2) To take advantage of overseas coring is it best to release a Russian vassal (Perm) and snake him down to the Caspian Sea? Before doing this do I need to keep a province to the right of him to allow me to core?
3) With the HRE vassal swarm is it best practice to have essentially perpetual war and feed whoever is bordering the target?
1) Yes
2) Yes, core to the right first, otherwise you won't be able to keep coring east. Then break the connection to capital.
3) Try to get the initial vassals a way to the sea, so they can core non directly connected territories.

The main problem you'll face at the beginning is dip points, because of the peace deals until you get imperialism. Religious should help with its casus belli for asia and afica, but catholics are a pain in the ass.

Winning wars is never the problem, the limiting factor are MP.

Here's how it ended for me, revoking in 1530. But this was my first WC so it's improvable by far:

afwqbWj.jpg


http://imgur.com/a/gQZfN
 

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I'm sorry for not replying for a while, but I'm very grateful for all the answers and the positive feedback! :)


Doesnt really works. Westphalia. Into the Westphalia decision, you have 'Capital set to Kassel' and Kassel isnt in the Westphalian region. So after Austria - Dutch - Westphalia - Dutch you have to replace your capital into the westphalian region every time you form Westphalia. So it will cost some more ADM for moving capital.

But Lithuania -> Commonwealth - Ruthenia -> Russia requires also ADM. Moving your capital sereval times, recovering from stab hits.

Revoking around 1515 seems as early as possible.

There's a common misconception in this thread that Ruthenia is a must for revoking, but it's purely optional. If you blob fast enough early game( which you want to do) forming Russia or Ruthenia will be enough. I guess it's hard to say whether Lithuanian or Ruthenian ideas are the best.

1) Yes
2) Yes, core to the right first, otherwise you won't be able to keep coring east. Then break the connection to capital.
3) Try to get the initial vassals a way to the sea, so they can core non directly connected territories.

The main problem you'll face at the beginning is dip points, because of the peace deals until you get imperialism. Religious should help with its casus belli for asia and afica, but catholics are a pain in the ass.

Winning wars is never the problem, the limiting factor are MP.

Here's how it ended for me, revoking in 1530. But this was my first WC so it's improvable by far:

afwqbWj.jpg


http://imgur.com/a/gQZfN

I'm glad you made it! Yeah I agree loosing wars with revocation is harder than winning them:D. Still a world conquest requires a lot of work. How long did it take for you IRL to achieve world conquest?
 
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Bohemia + Brandenburg should be your allies (they will help elect you too) and usually should be willing to attack Poland for promised territory, if not to repay favors.

I now made it work , but another issue rises :D Austria has 45ish imperal authority and never enacts but uses it bestow imperial grace , so it has +50 big nation and + 45 of imperial authority , it is litterally impossible to become emperor , what should I do?
 

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They want provincies in the peace deal or you loose trust. You dont have enough favors when you want to attack poland. Do that isnt an option. Poland tends to ally bohemia or Brandenburg, so allying both isnt always possible.
 

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They want provincies in the peace deal or you loose trust. You dont have enough favors when you want to attack poland. Do that isnt an option. Poland tends to ally bohemia or Brandenburg, so allying both isnt always possible.
I managed to ally TO , brande and bohemia, after pu they broke alliance but i re-allied bohemia. The problem now is to become emperor since austria has too much IA and never enacts
 

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I just did this but with a change in the final tag. Instead of forming Russia I formed Prussia, giving me an the great Prussian ideas.

The main drawback is that you need to be protestant or reformed. In order to convert and keep the emperorship you need to reach the reform before revoke (Proclaim Erbkaisertum). I did it by getting nearly all of Norway and Sweden but it took until about 1545 (5 years later and the League Wars could have triggered!). I tried to only add provinces when I got +10% IA from the mission to improve relations with an elector.

I also converted while I was still Lithuania because the +4 tolerance to heretics kept my religious unity higher while I was converting.

Shifting to Prussian culture is easier if you do it before forming the Commonwealth because if you do it early enough (before bobbing into Russia) then Ruthenian is the only culture stronger culture if you get all of the Prussian provinces.

Also the fact that I am the only independent protestant apart from England and one or two Italians makes the religious CB great for Europe as well.

My plan is to see if I can get the achievement One Faith. I would say that the main challenge will be to colonise everything in time.
 

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I just did this but with a change in the final tag. Instead of forming Russia I formed Prussia, giving me an the great Prussian ideas.

The main drawback is that you need to be protestant or reformed. In order to convert and keep the emperorship you need to reach the reform before revoke (Proclaim Erbkaisertum). I did it by getting nearly all of Norway and Sweden but it took until about 1545 (5 years later and the League Wars could have triggered!). I tried to only add provinces when I got +10% IA from the mission to improve relations with an elector.

I also converted while I was still Lithuania because the +4 tolerance to heretics kept my religious unity higher while I was converting.

Shifting to Prussian culture is easier if you do it before forming the Commonwealth because if you do it early enough (before bobbing into Russia) then Ruthenian is the only culture stronger culture if you get all of the Prussian provinces.

Also the fact that I am the only independent protestant apart from England and one or two Italians makes the religious CB great for Europe as well.

My plan is to see if I can get the achievement One Faith. I would say that the main challenge will be to colonise everything in time.

If I may ask , approximately when did you become emperor?
 

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If I may ask , approximately when did you become emperor?
I guess that I was really lucky. It was in November 1456. It was during my second war (the first being to get the PU over Poland). I DOWed Hungary who was allied to Austria (who was already fighting against Burgandy :)). The emperor must have died in battle.

As if I wasn't lucky enough the Burgundian Inheritance fired in April 1456. They were fighting against England but they were winning (+30 warscore).

Austria did shoot itself in the leg though. They demanded unlawful territory from the Palatinate who was voting for them until then (they quickly changed after that).
 

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Hey, first message here and I hope not the last.

I just tried to follow the guide. I started as Lithuenia, got my PU over Poland and started blobbing. After à while i finished being elected as emperor by 1495 more or less. Therefore, I can't add the provinces of my country to the Empire. The only one actually coloured is Vilnius, the capital. When I try to add this one to the Empire, it says that it needs a Land connexion to the Empire.

Does anyone know how the OP could add all his provinces ? The only one with Land connexion are the two he took from TO ( Danzig and Stolp i guess)
 

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Hey, first message here and I hope not the last.

I just tried to follow the guide. I started as Lithuenia, got my PU over Poland and started blobbing. After à while i finished being elected as emperor by 1495 more or less. Therefore, I can't add the provinces of my country to the Empire. The only one actually coloured is Vilnius, the capital. When I try to add this one to the Empire, it says that it needs a Land connexion to the Empire.

Does anyone know how the OP could add all his provinces ? The only one with Land connexion are the two he took from TO ( Danzig and Stolp i guess)
Yes you have to go through the Teutonic Order, however a province with a coast on the same sea zone than a province in the empire is enough (islands can also be added because of this rule).

It's the same neighboring requirements to fabricate a claim.

Also Vilnius is coloured because it's the capital of the emperor. It is not in the empire (so you can also get IA from adding it).
 
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