Revoking bishopric, no tax, no garrison, no levy.

[Neutrino Sunset]

Hi.

Recently purchased CKII off Steam and I've been following Aruma's awesome tutorial series on You Tube.

in that tutorial he starts as a count in Ireland and revokes the bisphoric in his home county, the result is he gets the whole levy of the bishopric but with a 75% tax penalty for controlling the wrong holding type.

I've tried doing this is several games now and it doesn't work for me. What happens instea is that I get no tax at all and the garrison of the bishopric resets to zero and never reinforces, so there is no levy at all.

Is this broken or has this mechanic been changed, I've searched the web but found no solution.

 

[HandicapdHippo]

Arumba's tutorial series are very out of date by now, this is one of the changes made since then, mainly because it was something only ever done by players in the single county situation to give themselves an advantage against the ai.

 

[AchedTeacher]

What Arumba did was probably an exploit and it's kinda odd he put that in a tutorial series. I doubt it still works.

 

[Neutrino Sunset]

It was definitely not an exploit, it was clearly coded to behave the way Arumba did it since once you revoked the title mousing over the holding displayed a tooltip that said 'Wrong holding type - 75% tax penalty' or something to that effect.

If it's changed that's fine, it's just that the way they've changed it is rather confusing since the tooltip no longer says anything about the effect of the wrong holding type, and each month the garrison reinforces by its monthy amount and then instantly completely disappears.

Like I say, if they wanted to change it that's perfectly fine, but it looks as if they've done a bit of a half-arsed job of it.

 

[AchedTeacher]

It was definitely not an exploit, it was clearly coded to behave the way Arumba did it since once you revoked the title mousing over the holding displayed a tooltip that said 'Wrong holding type - 75% tax penalty' or something to that effect.

If it's changed that's fine, it's just that the way they've changed it is rather confusing since the tooltip no longer says anything about the effect of the wrong holding type, and each month the garrison reinforces by its monthy amount and then instantly completely disappears.

Like I say, if they wanted to change it that's perfectly fine, but it looks as if they've done a bit of a half-arsed job of it.

And you're saying with 25% of a bishopric tax it's still worth it? Seems like an exploit. Feudal rulers should not have bishoprics.

 

[Neutrino Sunset]

If your bishop is loyal to the Pope instead of his liege, then he gives all his tax and levy to the Pope (you get nothing at all). If in that circumstance you don't have anyone suitable to replace him, revoking the bishopric would give you 100% of the levy and 25% of the tax, so that's rather obviously worth it as anything is infinitely better than nothing (and getting 100% of his levy couldn't get any better).

The original imlpementation that permitted this may well have been a misguided design that has since been improved, but since UI was coded explicitly to support this option then it can in no way be characterised as an exploit, which by definition means an unintended behaviour.

 

[Rags17]

Find the stupidest, most pliable and loyal lowborn in your realm, give him a gift (cheap because he is currently lowborn), then grant him the bishopric. The sum of these bonuses should see him end up with +100 relations with you which means that you will get 100% tax, unless your patsy, er new Bishop, is also +100 with the Pope. In that case just revoke and repeat.

Until the Pope starts getting narky about this trick in the early 11th century my realms are generally littered with useful idiots chosen for their loyalty to me rather than any skill or ability.

Hey, it worked for the Middle Ages, it works for me !

 

[Maizel]

Alot of these easy gimmicks were removed from the game. Superdukes, Vassal limits, etc.

The game has become much more fun to play since the early days.

 

[Admiral Fischer]

It was possible to play in that way before, the Raja of India DLC came out I think, I wouldn't call it an exploit but it was widely agreed that the so-called North Korean mode was just way too much OP, so the PI decided to kill it. The 'Banish' button was nerfed as well to the point that it's practically useless now.