Revoke HRE infamy changes in 15/04 patch

[BritNavFan]

But France should have cores if she'll be expanding into the HRE, while I believe any HRE territories conquered by the Turks are auto removed from the Empire anyway. Having it apply to everyone isn't a bad idea.

Your points about France make sense. I had a look at the decisions code and I didn't find anything specific for the Turks. They are likely to qualify to remove provinces they capture from the Empire, and a player can easily do so, but the AI may not, as the decision needs a magistrate and the AI doesn't prioritize magistrates. It's certainly possible I'm missing something.

I think your idea is viable, but I don't really like the idea of giving serious penalties for non-HRE countries owning non-core HRE provinces while at the same time making it easy for the player to avoid the penalty by removing those provinces from the HRE. I think a setup where an HRE province gives a non-HRE owner no direct penalty, but it is hard to remove from the HRE, perhaps requiring a core, and it gives the Emperor a casus belli on the country owning it, would work well.

 

[Foogsie]

As a possible alternative, maybe the modifier should simply reduce reputation with HRE members (including vassals) for every non-core instead. Perhaps revolt risk within all HRE provinces for each one as well. Ideally keeping vassals/alliances within the HRE as well as becoming the Emperor very difficult if you're going beyond your claims, without the odd effect of Russia becoming enraged by Hesse's sudden expansionism.

I'd say -5 or -10 reputation with all HRE states per year per province.

 

[NikkTheTrick]

I agree with relations drop idea. Perhaps, emperor should also get CB if relations drop beyond certain point and you control a non-HRE province...

 

[unmerged(159396)]

Personally, I changed it to:

	badboy = 0.05
	legitmacy = -0.005
	prestige = -0.01

Figured I still needed some kind of nominal punishment for taking HRE provinces, but not enough to ruin the game.

 

[Pitt The Elder]

Your points about France make sense. I had a look at the decisions code and I didn't find anything specific for the Turks. They are likely to qualify to remove provinces they capture from the Empire, and a player can easily do so, but the AI may not, as the decision needs a magistrate and the AI doesn't prioritize magistrates. It's certainly possible I'm missing something.

On the Turks, I believe the game does it automatically in the Engine Code somewhere. Of course, the only instances of this I can remember off hand are from MM, so they might have been doing something in that department.

I think your idea is viable, but I don't really like the idea of giving serious penalties for non-HRE countries owning non-core HRE provinces while at the same time making it easy for the player to avoid the penalty by removing those provinces from the HRE. I think a setup where an HRE province gives a non-HRE owner no direct penalty, but it is hard to remove from the HRE, perhaps requiring a core, and it gives the Emperor a casus belli on the country owning it, would work well.

Oh, well I would also make it much harder, almost impossible really, to remove territory from the Empire. Perhaps they would have to be cored, and you'd have to be Emperor. If you weren't Emperor, I suppose you could petition the Emperor, much like the process to add cores.