Revoke a city as Republic

[tman144]

^Topic. Just got the Republic DLC on sale off Steam. Started as Sultan of Africa, made Duchy of Tunis, then gave duchy to lord mayor, who is my son, to make a Republic. So far, so good. In anticipation of playing as my son I also revoked all the minor cities in my realm and gave them to my son. He promptly gave them all away, save two, before I could usurp Duchy title(he was at war). Now playing as the Republic, I want those cities back, however, when I try to revoke, it says (X)"Ruler of Republic has valid revocation reason."

So the question is, how do I get a revocation reason for my minor cities?

 

[kevindrosario]

I think the only way to get a valid revoke reason on a vassal is if they declare war on you. The easiest way to do that in my experience is to have them excommunicated and then save your game. Try to imprison them. If you succeed, reload and try again until you fail. When you fail they will likely rebel against you. Defeat the rebellion and you will then have a valid revoke reason.

Edit: Also, if the target city is owned by a Patrician family, you can just wait for them to plot to seize one of your trade ports. It's pretty much inevitable for them to do this. Then when it happens, you can try to imprison them and go through the same process.

 

[tman144]

Well, I am muslim, so no excommunication. My brother inherited Africa when my pops died, and I successfully took over despite the fact that my levies consisted of a grand total of 51 men with the clever use of allies. So, I had my brother imprisoned after winning and I still couldn't revoke titles. I could, however, banish him, which I did. His titles filled up my demesne, so I guess it doesn't matter now. But it seems the only way to revoke titles, that I can figure, is to imprison then banish.

 

[kevindrosario]

How do you banish without pissing off your vassals? As far as I know, there is no valid banish reason. IIRC it causes -80 to relations with all vassals.

 

[tman144]

It was -40. I didn't need a reason to banish, I don't know why. I only have one count level vassal, and I would revoke his title too if it would let me. I guess I have to wait for him to plot against me so I can imprison him.

 

[Talq]

tman144, in case you haven't guessed, your son gave away all those cities because you had exceeded his demense limit.

How do you banish without pissing off your vassals? As far as I know, there is no valid banish reason. IIRC it causes -80 to relations with all vassals.

It depends on their titles. Mayors/barons are somewhat lower.

 

[Ravenous.BE]

I also have a problem.

I started in Genoa, and Nice has a prince bishop.. So I thought, I'd get a claim and revoke. That didn't work, I was unable to claim only a "let it go" after the fabrication.
Then I thought, I'll make him a heretic, so I sent my Court Chaplain out there and after a while he said "I think he's a heretic!" and I went, "of course he is!". This should have given me a reason for revokation (as it does with lower tier vassals) but it did not!
So I went ahead and granted him independence, and immediately declared a Holy War. So there it was, the Bishopric was in my hands in my control.. But I didn't want it, so I thought I'd give it to the baron vassal as a county and so the county capital will convert.

But it did not. The baron vassal became a Count, but his main holding was the still the Bishopric. I'm thinking it may have had something to do with him being a patrician, but I'm not sure.

 

[Talq]

Give him a few days (and get out of the screen).

In any event, you will almost always want to give a county to a city holder doing that. Barons give you wrong holding type penalties.

As an aside, the 'patricians can hold both baronies and cities' without penalty benefit applies ONLY to patricians (ie heads of family), not to relatives, and not to lord mayors under republics.

 

[Rubidium]

The easiest way to get a valid reason to revoke?

Have your chancellor forge a claim on the province.

Having a claim counts as a valid reason for revocation.

 

[tman144]

I'm trying to revoke minor cities, I already own the county. I think forging a claim only works for count and above.

Also, I was doing the convert province mission with my Imam and got the "Of course so-and-so is not a heretic" event and chose yes to heresy, however, I still couldn't revoke, even though the mayor was a heretic.

 

[Talq]

I'm trying to revoke minor cities, I already own the county. I think forging a claim only works for count and above.

Also, I was doing the convert province mission with my Imam and got the "Of course so-and-so is not a heretic" event and chose yes to heresy, however, I still couldn't revoke, even though the mayor was a heretic.

Yes apparently heresy isn't a legal issue until medium crown authority. You are of course stuck at limited.

 

[tman144]

So I think I've answered my own question here. I kept playing, and my now exiled brother plotted to kill me and of course wouldn't accept my plea to stop. I saw he had some mayors as plot backers, so I tried asking them to stop backing his plot. The tooltip indicates that if they refuse I will have a reason to punish them, but so far none have refused my request so I can try it out.

 

[Rubidium]

So I think I've answered my own question here. I kept playing, and my now exiled brother plotted to kill me and of course wouldn't accept my plea to stop. I saw he had some mayors as plot backers, so I tried asking them to stop backing his plot. The tooltip indicates that if they refuse I will have a reason to punish them, but so far none have refused my request so I can try it out.

If you own the county they are a part of and are the doge, I think you can grant them independence through the diplomacy screen and then war against them for a de jure claim on the city.

 

[Beamrun]

If you own the county they are a part of and are the doge, I think you can grant them independence through the diplomacy screen and then war against them for a de jure claim on the city.

I can confirm that even in updated version of the game in 2018, this strategy is still valid.

1) I searched the character explorer for male non-rulers of not my religion group and found a jewish scapecoat. xD Wow this sounds bad.

2) Anyway, I gave this man a county rank title ( grand city), then I transferred vassalage of the two cities I wanted to "revoke" to the newly established jewish ruler. These were cities of Lido and Jesolo in the county of Venezia (Playing as Serene Doge). I then granted the ruler independence.

3) I declared war on the ruler (There's an automatic casus belli for taking all his sub-county holdings (both cities) with just one war). Because of a truce to the newly created ruler (10 years, and I'm not willing to wait), I was considered a truce breaker, losing some prestige (some 1300). But because the ruler was Jewish, I would only incur a relations penalty with any jewish rulers (of which I know none). So a total win!

Thanks, Rubidium! I wouldn't have thought of this without your post.

 

[Snow Crystal]

Let us not necro 4-5 year old threads.