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Okay, so, Otto loses his Tiger to work his way up to the General Staff... while that stinks 'cause it put's him off the front lines it is kewl 'cause it will bump him up the ranks to the point were he'll be soon ready to command a regiment or division (possible against the Communists in the East?) and show his expertise of panzer use!

And with our beloved writAAR promising panzer updates to continue from the tank commander's P.O.V. we're all set for futher exploits of the almight panzer!

Now the question remains... how is dear Helmut doing in the south going up against the Rock? :eek:
 

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Kampf_Machen: A little coffee never hurt anybody. Though when I get to the point where my hands are shaking and I start feeling extremely restless, I tend to stop drinking it. Since I'm answering this several days later, I'd say that your chances of reading about the Wolf's and Co. after work are pretty low.;) However, a new update will post tomorrow.

Draco Rexus: Otto is moving off the line and on to better things but, as you say, that does not mean that we won't be seeing any more panzer action. It's going to be a little bit before we see Helmut again. I had been bouncing back and forth between northern and southern Spain, but I'm going to focus on wrapping up events in Barcelona before we travel back down south again.

Asalto: Never had it and never heard of being able to get it anywhere around here either.
 

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Generaloberst Günther von Kluge- Commander Armeegruppe C

As the first days of Spetember 1940 drifted by, the men of Armeegruppe C under the command of Generaloberst Günther von Kluge found themselves locked in a bitter struggle with the remnants of the Spanish Ejército de Cataluyna who were dug in atop the hill known as Montjuïc. The fight up the slopes had been a hard and costly one for both sides, but it was not until German forces reached the summit that the battle reached it's most terrible phase. The summit of the hill was dotted with many structures and, while all were defended by Spanish troops, it was the remnants of an old fortress known as the Castell de Montjuïc where the heaviest fighting would take place, and where the drama that was the Battle of Spain would reach it's climax.

German troops had reached the fortress on September 2nd, and had immediately been thrown back. Though the structure had taken severe damage during the extensive aerial and naval bombardment that the Spanish had been subjected to, many of the stone walls and redoubts of the fortress still stood to one extent or another. Even the portions of the fortress that were completely destroyed still provided strong defensive positions as the Spanish were able to take up positions amongst the rubble. Adding to the defensibility of the position was a serious of tunnels that ran beneath the fortress. Using these tunnels, the defenders were able to escape air and artillery attacks as well as move themselves quickly to any area that was under attack.

Throughout the 2nd and 3rd of September German forces assailed the fortress from all sides save the east which bordered a nearly sheer cliff that ran down to the harbor below. Each time they were unable to make any appreciable headway into the fortress. Every where they turned Spanish rifles and machine guns were waiting for them. Even when some attackers were able to gain entrance to the fortress, they found themselves faced with a maze of passages that ran through zones where ambushes could, and frequently were, carried out. Unable to dislodge the defenders through straight forward attacks, the Germans adopted a new strategy on September 4. Rather than launch large scale attacks against the fortress, they resorted to smaller scale ones designed to take one small section of the line at a time. The goal was to slowly grind the Spanish from their positions. It was a tactic that would take longer, but was designed to limit casualties. As the German troops moved forward they brought with them a weapon perfectly suited to drive the Spanish out as one German officer put it, "like rats from a nest."

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The flamethrower was instrumental in driving the Spanish from their positions in the fortress.

Each of the German assault teams carried with them one or two flamethrowers. Under covering fire from the rest of the men in the assault team, they would race forward and use fire to knock out Spanish emplacements amid the ruins. It was not long before real progress began to be made and German troops began pushing toward the center of the old fortress.

As they advanced German troops discovered the tunnel system that ran beneath their feet. Some discussion was made about sending men into the tunnels, but the idea was ultimately rejected as there was no way to tell what dangers might await them there. Instead, German troops were instructed to pour flame into any tunnel entrance they found. Once sure that no enemy troops were lurking near the entrance, they were to then try to collapse it with grenades and explosives. While this tactic was only partially successful, many Spanish soldiers were buried alive when sections of the tunnels collapsed.

With his troops now inside the fortress itself, Generaloberst von Kluge decided on one more big push to finally break the enemy. As his troops continued to slowly and carefully make their way forward against ever slackening resistance, he sent a small force to the harbor beneath the eastern slope of Montjuïc. Once France had fallen, there had been a lot of talk about an invasion of the British Isles. Accordingly, many formations within the Wehrmacht had undergone training that would have allowed them to contend with and assault the cliffs they would encounter on the coast. With the scrapping of plans to invade Britain, this training had never been put into use until now. Kluge felt that a sudden attack from the eastern side would completely surprise and confuse the enemy and ordered that the rather risky undertaking be attempted.

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German troops scaling the cliff beneath the fortress on Montjuïc

At dawn on September 6, the attack began with 2,000 German troops climbing up the cliff on the eastern slope of Montjuïc. Simultaneously, attacks were renewed from all other directions in order to keep the attention of the Spanish focused away from the eastern side. With great difficulty, the assault force manged to reach the top of the cliff and immediately attacked the Spanish who were completely caught off guard by this sudden attack from the rear.

The Spanish defenses began to collapse as the defenders, exhausted by the constant fighting and worn down by lack of supply, began to break. As German troops swept into the fortress' main complex from four sides, some of the defenders began to surrender while others defiantly stood their ground and fought to the last. Most, however, fled into the center of the fortress or went underground where they could to await further orders. Though they were now at the very limits of human endurance, they were ready to continue the fight if their leader asked them to.

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Teniente General Juan Modesto in his headquarters beneath the Castell de Montjuïc

In the end, though, he did not. Teniente General Juan Modesto, commander of Spanish forces in Cataluyna, realized that further resistance was beyond use and would not see his men suffer any more. A message was sent asking for terms for the surrender of his army. Kluge answered just after noon that he would except only unconditional surrender. With no other real choice, Modesto agreed, and ordered all of his forces to cease resisting. While many of his men gladly laid down there arms and complied with his order, a small few refused to abide by it and, led by a Coronel Vivar, attempted to break through the ring of German soldiers around Montjuïc and escape. They were a minority, however, and the formal cessation of hostilities was accomplished largely without incident. At exactly 3:00 pm on September 6, 1940, the Spanish flag was lowered over the last free piece of Spanish soil.
 

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I wonder where Vivar plans to run. I can think of a few German units with experience dealing with... partisans.
 

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For the Germans it is a bad thing that Vivar was not among the casualties in thefighting... he is one hot firebrand that if allowed to go to ground will surely cause problems in the near future... bad for the Germans but good for we readAARs! :D
 

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In the end, though, he did not. Teniente General Juan Modesto, commander of Spanish forces in Cataluyna, realized that further resistance was beyond use and would not see his men

Sorry for being a bitch, but... Cataluyna has surrendered.

But there is no word about Catalunya, so we remain undefeated :D:D

At exactly 3:00 pm on September 6, 1940, the Spanish flag was lowered over the last free piece of Spanish soil.

Some Catalan nationalists would make lovely puns about this... :p
 

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dublish: Just getting out of the area will be his first priority. The Germans certainly won't be making things easy for him.

Draco Rexus: I decided not to bring Vivar's story to a close just yet. He is definitely someone who can make the occupation an interesting time for the Germans.

Kurt_Steiner: Look at it anyway you want, Kurt. Cataluyna is still occupied territory now! Though, who knows what will be the region's future in the post-war world? For now, though, OCCUPIED!!!!:D
 

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dublish: Just getting out of the area will be his first priority. The Germans certainly won't be making things easy for him.

Draco Rexus: I decided not to bring Vivar's story to a close just yet. He is definitely someone who can make the occupation an interesting time for the Germans.

Kurt_Steiner: Look at it anyway you want, Kurt. Cataluyna is still occupied territory now! Though, who knows what will be the region's future in the post-war world? For now, though, OCCUPIED!!!!:D

Well, it's Spain. Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan put together will look like a parade on Unter den Linden in comparison.
 

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Kurt_Steiner: Look at it anyway you want, Kurt. Cataluyna is still occupied territory now! Though, who knows what will be the region's future in the post-war world? For now, though, OCCUPIED!!!!:D

I still don't find Cataluyna on the map... :D Anyway, prepare to have Catalan partisans stealing your supplies of beer.:D
 

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One more nation whose throat now has the studded boots of the German Army to it's throat. Congratz. Now is the time to move on the real enemy: The U.S.S.R.

Vivar would probably not be very conducive to the U-Boot war in the Atlantic though. He must be brought to justice as he is now an illegal participant on the battlefield. ;)
 

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trekaddict: Ha ha. Can't you let it go?;) Spain lies defeated now. Vengeance is mine!

Kurt_Steiner: There will be soon. The Reich Protectorate of Cataluyna that is!:)

Kampf_Machen: No, sir. The UK is my true enemy. After all, they declared war on me and started this whole thing. If they had left me to discuss some minor issues with Poland, there would not be a world war. They must be made to pay for their warmongering!

JosunUrashima: Thanks. I'm working on it now and I should have it soon.
 

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Great updates Hardraade.....Glad the fighting is over in Espaniol.....And now for England or Russia! I say knock out England first and then Russia.....because I dont want to see another chance at a 2nd front develop at all....but that is just me....by the way........what time line is it in the AAR.???? I seem to have forgotten...

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Great updates Hardraade.....Glad the fighting is over in Espaniol.....And now for England or Russia! I say knock out England first and then Russia.....because I dont want to see another chance at a 2nd front develop at all....but that is just me....by the way........what time line is it in the AAR.???? I seem to have forgotten...

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I certainly don't want to engage in a two front war. In fact, my forces are so thinly spread out right now that I simply wouldn't be able to survive one. Right now it is September 1940.
 

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Generalleutnant Kurt Student


Starting on September 1, the 30,000 men of the German I. Fallschirmkorps under Generalleutnant Kurt Student began attacking the British stronghold of Gibraltar. The fabled Rock was defended by 10,000 British troops who were dug in both behind an impressive series of trenches and bunkers along the border with Spain, and inside the Rock itself. Despite the fact that the war had been raging for exactly one year when the assault on Gibraltar began, this was to be the first time that German and British soldiers met one another in battle. As the shells began to fall and the bullets began to fly, both sides recognized the importance of this battle. He who controlled Gibraltar also controlled access to the Mediterranean. The Germans wanted desperately to close access to Britain and her allies and the British desperately needed to keep it open.

The initial phase of the attack was disappointing for the Germans. The paratroopers were, by design, rather lightly equipped and were no match for the formidable defenses of Gibraltar. The only artillery at their disposal were recoilless rifles. While these were fine weapons and useful to the troopers, they were few in number and were generally incapable of doing any serious damage to the more heavily fortified British defensive positions.

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German paratroopers firing on British positions on the outskirts of Gibraltar


Student pressed the attack hard even in the face of the initial difficulty, but did report the stalemate back to Generaloberst von Rundstedt- the commander of all German forces in Spain. Rundstedt, with two Armeegruppen, was positioned to the north and had recently accepted the surrender of all Spanish forces outside of Cataluyna. He immediately ordered the Luftwaffe contingent under his command to directly support the attack on Gibraltar and also sent the IV. Armee south along with a large artillery contingent.

The IV. Armee was also known as the Ostmark Armee, and was considered a somewhat special unit within the Wehrmacht. It had been originally formed in the aftermath of the Anschluss when the Austrian army had been integrated into the Wehrmacht. While many Austrian formations had been sent throughout the Reich to join various commands, it had been decided to form a full army out of some of the former Austrian formations. It had been officially designated as IV. Armee, but was most commonly referred to by it's other name. The formation had seen heavy fighting throughout the war and had gained special notice early on for both being the unit that had taken Crackow, and for crushing the Namur Salient. Hitler was so pleased by the conduct of his fellow countrymen that he had declared that only men from Ostmark could belong to the IV. Armee. Most recently, the formation had been involved in the capture of the Spanish capital of Madrid.

The air support sent by Rundstedt was a welcome sight to Student's men who cheered as the bombers flew overhead toward the British positions. Those cheers soon died, however, as British anti-aircraft guns on the Rock began knocking bombers from the skies, and it became apparent that the bombing runs were having little overall effect on the heavy gun emplacements within the Rock. Against the bunkers and trenches along the strip of land connecting Gibraltar to mainland Spain the bombers had better luck, and some progress was being made by the time that the Ostmark Armee arrived on the scene on September 4.

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Artillery piece with the Ostmark Armee firing on the British in Gibraltar


The heavy artillery brought by the Austrians was quickly put into place and began banging away at the British positions while the 50,000 men of the Ostmark Armee moved into forward positions and prepared to attack in support of the paratroopers. Now outnumbered 8-to-1 and under constant bombardment from the air as well as from German heavy artillery, the defenders of Gibraltar were becoming increasingly hard pressed to hold the line and it was feared that a breakthrough would come at any moment.
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Helmut Wolf lit a cigarette and drew in a deep breath. He was sitting atop a rock and looking ahead toward Gibraltar, his Fallschirmhelm lying upended at his feet. He had taken it off in favor of his crusher cap which was pulled low in order to keep the sun out of his eyes. Nearby to him stood Brauer and Nagel. The two men stood close together in order to be able to hear one another over the sound of the guns that were hammering the British positions. Every now and again they would turn to look in Helmut's direction, and if he had been paying them any mind he would have rather quickly deduced that they were talking about him. He, however, was not paying them any attention and his gaze remained fixed on the Rock.

Gaertner came hurrying up and, after casting a glance at Helmut, joined Nagel and Brauer. He leaned in close and said, "I just got word from the hospital."

Nagel and Brauer looked at one another and Brauer said to him, "If Untersturmführer Baer died, then you're telling him. He likes you."

Nagel frowned at him, but before he could reply Gaertner said, "He's not dead. In fact, they said that he had recovered enough to be moved to a hospital in France."

"Thank God.", said Nagel and Brauer in unison.

The two men began moving to give Helmut the good news, but Gaertner grabbed Nagel's arm and said, "There's no change with Kuefer. He's still fading in and out of consciousness and the nurse I talked to said that he gets weaker every day."

Nagel forced a smile on his face and patted Gaertner on the shoulder. He said, "Don't worry, Kuefer is tough. He'll be fine."

Gaertner nodded and Nagel turned from him and walked over to where Helmut sat. Helmut did not look up at his approach and both Nagel and Brauer stood awkwardly until Nagel finally said, "Good news about Max. He's being moved to a hospital in France. He's going to be alright." He didn't bother to mention Kuefer. No sense in spoiling the good news.

Upon hearing the news, Helmut closed his eyes and let his head drop for a moment before lifting his eyes back to stare forward toward the Rock. Moving slowly, he took the cigarette from his lips and tossed it away before replacing it with another. Nagel, surprised by the muted reaction, looked at Brauer who shrugged. He followed Helmut's line of sight and asked, "You think that we'll be going into action against the British soon?" The SS troops had been in reserve since the start of the battle and had yet to come to grips with the British defenders.

With a fierceness that surprised them both Helmut answered, "I spend every second of every day wishing that it will be so."

"You do?", asked Brauer.

Helmut nodded and took a long drag on his cigarette. He pulled it from his lips and said, "I hate them. Damn hypocrites the whole lot of them. They call us warmongers when they've been in the business of waging war on others for centuries. They call us tyrants and oppressors when they have hundreds of millions under their yoke. They blame us for this war when they're the ones who started it. They had no business interfering in our dispute with Poland, but they did and in so doing unleashed all of this on the world. I lay every death in this war on them, and they need to be made to pay. They need to pay for it all."

Nagel started to say something, but Helmut, with a menacing look in his eye, pressed on over him, "I've fought the Dutch, the Belgians, the French and the Bulgarians in this war and I did it because it was my duty to the Fatherland. When it comes time to fight and kill Englishmen, though, I'm going to do it because I enjoy it."
 

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That reminds me of the eight month-siege of Gibraltar in one of my games and the dirty trick I used to defeat the Brits... good hunting, Helmuth!
 

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Hahahahahahaha! That's rich, a SS officer speaking of freedom for the opressed. In 1941. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 

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Kurt_Steiner: They can't hold forever. They should probably surrender before Helmut gets at them though.

trekaddict: Helmut wasn't talking about freedom for the oppressed(which would be weird). He's commenting on the fact that the British get upset over Germany conquering other nations- which is rather hypocritical if you think about it. Since Britain has been conquering people with gusto for centuries.
 

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Kurt_Steiner: They can't hold forever. They should probably surrender before Helmut gets at them though.

trekaddict: Helmut wasn't talking about freedom for the oppressed(which would be weird). He's commenting on the fact that the British get upset over Germany conquering other nations- which is rather hypocritical if you think about it. Since Britain has been conquering people with gusto for centuries.

True enough, but for me, with the benefit of hindsight and knowledge of unmentionable things... Besides, conquering the 'savages' was the usual custom back then.