Questions:
A) The question is superfluous and misleads some people. It has been removed.
B) Do the developers plan to reintroduce Defense Stations and Fortresses into the CURRENT Starbase mechanics?
The game files ALREADY have: Working textures for Defense Stations and Fortresses for 8/11 ship styles, pictures for technology, technology descriptions and many other files ... That is, about 90% has already been done!
In the current version of the game (3.1), the defensive part of the game looks "half cut" ... Wait, it literally is! After all, 2/4 of the defensive structures in the "Defense" section of the Starbases menu have been removed from the game.
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Suggestions:
1) Return Defense Stations and Fortresses.
Of course with the CURRENT Starbase system. That is, I suggest that Defense Stations and Fortresses should be available for construction in the Starbase menu in the "Defense" section. Like Defensive Platforms and Ion Cannons in the current version of the game (See the first screenshot, everything is clearly shown there and there is additional information).
1.1) I propose to combine technologies for easier access to protective structures:
a) Ion Cannon with Titan (ALREADY in the vanilla version of the game!)
b) Ion cannon (with X slot as in NSK2 mod) with Battleship
c) Fortress with a Cruiser
d) Defense station with Destroyer
e) Defense platform with Corvette
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2) Update and standardize the Ion Cannon
2.1) Remove the unchanged cost of 2000 alloys. (Make the cost of construction depend on the equipment like the "Defense Platform")
2.2) Remove the unchanged build time of 1800 days. (Make it so that the construction time depends on technologies, edicts and events like the "Defense Platform")
2.3) Add upkeep to the Ion Cannon (yes, in the current version the Ion Cannon does not have an upkeep)
2.4) Add "A" slot to Ion Cannon
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3) Redesign the "Defense Platform Capacity" values for all types of starbases. Also change the cost of all defensive structures in the DPC.
Otherwise, in its current form, the Citadel has 15 DPCs by default, and the construction of two Ion Cannons requires 16 Defense Platforms Caps. This 1 DPC flaw looks like a mockery ...
The Capacity Defense-Grid Supercomputer gives +8 DPC, which is good, as it allows you to build a second ion cannon. But in the end, again there is not enough 1 DPC for the third Ion Cannon ...
Also, the aspiration bonus that gives +5 to DPC looks strange when the Ion Cannon occupies 8 slots.
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FAQ
Q - And what is all this for?
A - In order to make sense to build defensive structures in the middle and end of the game. That is in order for the mechanics of space defense to be relevant throughout the entire game, and not the first 100 years.
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Q - Aren't these essentially the same Defense Platforms? Well, I will build 4 Fortresses instead of 16 defensive platforms. What's the point?
A - These platforms are more efficient in terms of price: quality ratio. That is, building Defense Stations and Fortresses, you get more benefits in terms of "price: quality" ratio than building Defense Platforms! And thanks to this, Defense Stations will make defense effective in the middle of the game, and Fortresses will make defense relevant at the end of the game!
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Q - But then they will be very strong!
A - The number of these defenses is limited by their high cost in the capacity of the defenses of the starbases, you will not be able to build many fortresses near the starbase. Also, these buildings should not appear immediately, but in the middle and end of the game. All of these buildings are also extremely vulnerable to X and T slots.
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Q - I disagree with cost, military strength or other characteristics.
A - Of course, all this needs to be rebalanced, the main thing is that the basic concept does not suffer:
The Defense Station is slightly more efficient in terms of "price : quality" ratio than the Defense Platform.
The Fortress is slightly more efficient in terms of "price : quality" ratio than the defensive station.
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P.S.
If you want the developers to return the updated Defense Stations and Fortresses with the CURRENT starbase system (as in the first screenshot) then:
Support this "Stellaris" thread, like and comment.
And a similar thread in the "Suggestions" section with likes, comments and UPVOTE (the main thing !!!).
A) The question is superfluous and misleads some people. It has been removed.
B) Do the developers plan to reintroduce Defense Stations and Fortresses into the CURRENT Starbase mechanics?
The game files ALREADY have: Working textures for Defense Stations and Fortresses for 8/11 ship styles, pictures for technology, technology descriptions and many other files ... That is, about 90% has already been done!
In the current version of the game (3.1), the defensive part of the game looks "half cut" ... Wait, it literally is! After all, 2/4 of the defensive structures in the "Defense" section of the Starbases menu have been removed from the game.
------
Suggestions:
1) Return Defense Stations and Fortresses.
Of course with the CURRENT Starbase system. That is, I suggest that Defense Stations and Fortresses should be available for construction in the Starbase menu in the "Defense" section. Like Defensive Platforms and Ion Cannons in the current version of the game (See the first screenshot, everything is clearly shown there and there is additional information).
1.1) I propose to combine technologies for easier access to protective structures:
a) Ion Cannon with Titan (ALREADY in the vanilla version of the game!)
b) Ion cannon (with X slot as in NSK2 mod) with Battleship
c) Fortress with a Cruiser
d) Defense station with Destroyer
e) Defense platform with Corvette
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2) Update and standardize the Ion Cannon
2.1) Remove the unchanged cost of 2000 alloys. (Make the cost of construction depend on the equipment like the "Defense Platform")
2.2) Remove the unchanged build time of 1800 days. (Make it so that the construction time depends on technologies, edicts and events like the "Defense Platform")
2.3) Add upkeep to the Ion Cannon (yes, in the current version the Ion Cannon does not have an upkeep)
2.4) Add "A" slot to Ion Cannon
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3) Redesign the "Defense Platform Capacity" values for all types of starbases. Also change the cost of all defensive structures in the DPC.
Otherwise, in its current form, the Citadel has 15 DPCs by default, and the construction of two Ion Cannons requires 16 Defense Platforms Caps. This 1 DPC flaw looks like a mockery ...
The Capacity Defense-Grid Supercomputer gives +8 DPC, which is good, as it allows you to build a second ion cannon. But in the end, again there is not enough 1 DPC for the third Ion Cannon ...
Also, the aspiration bonus that gives +5 to DPC looks strange when the Ion Cannon occupies 8 slots.
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FAQ
Q - And what is all this for?
A - In order to make sense to build defensive structures in the middle and end of the game. That is in order for the mechanics of space defense to be relevant throughout the entire game, and not the first 100 years.
-
Q - Aren't these essentially the same Defense Platforms? Well, I will build 4 Fortresses instead of 16 defensive platforms. What's the point?
A - These platforms are more efficient in terms of price: quality ratio. That is, building Defense Stations and Fortresses, you get more benefits in terms of "price: quality" ratio than building Defense Platforms! And thanks to this, Defense Stations will make defense effective in the middle of the game, and Fortresses will make defense relevant at the end of the game!
-
Q - But then they will be very strong!
A - The number of these defenses is limited by their high cost in the capacity of the defenses of the starbases, you will not be able to build many fortresses near the starbase. Also, these buildings should not appear immediately, but in the middle and end of the game. All of these buildings are also extremely vulnerable to X and T slots.
-
Q - I disagree with cost, military strength or other characteristics.
A - Of course, all this needs to be rebalanced, the main thing is that the basic concept does not suffer:
The Defense Station is slightly more efficient in terms of "price : quality" ratio than the Defense Platform.
The Fortress is slightly more efficient in terms of "price : quality" ratio than the defensive station.
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P.S.
If you want the developers to return the updated Defense Stations and Fortresses with the CURRENT starbase system (as in the first screenshot) then:
Support this "Stellaris" thread, like and comment.
And a similar thread in the "Suggestions" section with likes, comments and UPVOTE (the main thing !!!).
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