RETROGRADE atachment brigade ability

[unmerged(162341)]

Though my list of whishes and ideas are not humble,I realy do have one humble whish for FTM.

Its about brigades manual deployment to divisions during game.

I have problem managing army,when I want to deploy newly produced brigade,I must scroll list of divisions ,or find one in troop manager,and than drop brigade to division.

On many ocasions I find that in hurry I dropped brigade to division not intended to.

We should recall that manual deploying aditional brigades to divisions is realy massive job especialy when researched Sup. firepower,when player wants to rise many 4x brig. divisions on 5x brig. divisions.

Now,what I want?


I want,when I open single division on the field,to have a button-ATACH BRIGADE,and after decide Atach, than from list of produced brigades to simply paste choosen brigade to that division.

So I want RETROGRADE atachment brigade ability-ataching from division menu not from production pool.


EDIT-further elaboration of proposal:

see it like this:When you click on some division on the ground(which is in supply of course) in the place where are options for lets say reinforcement and upgrade on/off, to have another option(button)--Atach brigade.When click on this button ,a pool of produced brigades in the left uper corner of the screen is open(if there is produced brigades)and than click on some brigade results in brigade being added to this division.

The concept could be even further advanced--we could have division"add brigade" button to result that chosen brigade starts to be produced in production queue.

For instance you have Division 2xArm+1x Mot and chooses from this division panel to ad one SP-art brigade.If there is no such brigade produced jet,this brigade starts production and later automaticaly deploys to division.I am sure this will be powerfull(and realistic)new tool.

 

[madprofmike]

i second this

 

[xtfoster]

Though my list of whishes and ideas are not humble,I realy do have one humble whish for FTM.

Its about brigades manual deployment to divisions during game.

I have problem managing army,when I want to deploy newly produced brigade,I must scroll list of divisions ,or find one in troop manager,and than drop brigade to division.

On many ocasions I find that in hurry I dropped brigade to division not intended to.

We should recall that manual deploying aditional brigades to divisions is realy massive job especialy when researched Sup. firepower,when player wants to rise many 4x brig. divisions on 5x brig. divisions.

Now,what I want?


I want,when I open single division on the field,to have a button-ATACH BRIGADE,and after decide Atach, than from list of produced brigades to simply paste choosen brigade to that division.

So I want RETROGRADE atachment brigade ability-ataching from division menu not from production pool.

While I agree that it is annoying that you to do this manually, I can see at least one major reason why this shouldn't be done: What happens if the division that requested the added brigade isn't able to connect (via a land route) to the Capital? IIRC this is the same issue with the brigade upgrade function added with Semper Fi. In that case the brigade becomes undeployable because the target divison isn't available. Not sure if this changed in the later patches (I just got back to HOI3 after a long break to help with Darkest Hour).

 

[timkoningskelp]

The French colonel is right: it can be very cumbersome to attach a newly produced brigade to a specific division. Imho his solution makes sence too.

We already have the ability to upgrade single brigades and the game engine "remembers" which division the upgrading brigade in the productionqueue came from. So the basic game mechanics seem to be already there (I mean, assigning a unit in the production line to a specific division even before it is complete).

This feature would surely be a very big help, especially when playing a large country during wartime and wanting to upgrade some (but not all) existing units. And it happened in real life too: later in the war German infantry divisions sometimes received an Abteilung of Sturmgeschutze without being pulled out of the frontline for a major refit. And starting in 1942 all German Panzergrenadierdivisionen (motorised infantry) received an integral Panzerabteilung, again often without leaving the front.

Hope Paradox reads this thread and can do something about implementing this neat and handy feature!

 

[death1081]

I agree, i do find it a bit anoying to go thru the list of divisions when u have a big army.
If the problem can be solved without creating any problems then i think it should be done

 

[binTravkin]

Yes, this sounds like a welcome addition.

 

[unmerged(162341)]

I am glad majority of people find this to be desirable new thing fot the FTM.

Just let me count you guys, I see,one, two, ....5, hm,I dont know do we have enough men for atack on bastille about this issue,but its better than nothing.

Hello, Paradox, one proposal here.

 

[Alex_brunius]

Yes this would be nice indeed.

Since Soviet and Germany (read hordes off units on the massive east front) are the largest mess to try to organize I think it would fit well with the expansion theme.

 

[timkoningskelp]

Is it possible to vote twice?

 

[Forgiven]

Hmm, I've always opted for 'drop the brigade on map next to division and merge'...
But I'm not totally against this as 'possibly helpful' addition...

 

[208]

While I agree that it is annoying that you to do this manually, I can see at least one major reason why this shouldn't be done: What happens if the division that requested the added brigade isn't able to connect (via a land route) to the Capital? IIRC this is the same issue with the brigade upgrade function added with Semper Fi. In that case the brigade becomes undeployable because the target divison isn't available. Not sure if this changed in the later patches (I just got back to HOI3 after a long break to help with Darkest Hour).

We already have the ability to upgrade single brigades and the game engine "remembers" which division the upgrading brigade in the productionqueue came from. So the basic game mechanics seem to be already there (I mean, assigning a unit in the production line to a specific division even before it is complete).

I don't think the ability to queue brigade production from the division is what he is asking for - rather, simply to deploy an already-built brigade into a division through the division interface. Thus no worrying about remembering which division the brigade was for, whether the brigade could be deployed there (already handled by the existing code) and so on.

HoI2 had a very similar mechanism for its own version of "attached brigades" (although it was more complex because you could detach brigades back into an abstract pool and reassign them).

I think this is a very nice idea. Good suggestion

 

[unmerged(162341)]

I don't think the ability to queue brigade production from the division is what he is asking for - rather, simply to deploy an already-built brigade into a division through the division interface. Thus no worrying about remembering which division the brigade was for, whether the brigade could be deployed there (already handled by the existing code) and so on.

Yes.

Deploying built brigades into a division trough division interface.

 

[timkoningskelp]

I don't think the ability to queue brigade production from the division is what he is asking for - rather, simply to deploy an already-built brigade into a division through the division interface. Thus no worrying about remembering which division the brigade was for, whether the brigade could be deployed there (already handled by the existing code) and so on.

Yes.

Deploying built brigades into a division trough division interface.

Ah, I see.

This would be even more helpfull. No need to remember which divisions are already due to receive a fourth or fifth brigade, but a pool of already completed single brigades available for assignment at once.

When playing the USSR 1936 Grand Campaign I often upgrade existing divisions, and to that end have a lot of supportbrigades in the production queue. Often 5 paralell builds of artillery and 5 paralell builds of AT, or even more. That's 10 brigades being finished all at once and it can be quite a "clickfest" assigning them all. Especially if I don't add them directly, but wait until two or three runs are complete. This new method of deployment would surely make this task a lot less time consuming.

 

[unmerged(162341)]

Ah, I see.

This would be even more helpfull. No need to remember which divisions are already due to receive a fourth or fifth brigade, but a pool of already completed single brigades available for assignment at once.

When playing the USSR 1936 Grand Campaign I often upgrade existing divisions, and to that end have a lot of supportbrigades in the production queue. Often 5 paralell builds of artillery and 5 paralell builds of AT, or even more. That's 10 brigades being finished all at once and it can be quite a "clickfest" assigning them all. Especially if I don't add them directly, but wait until two or three runs are complete. This new method of deployment would surely make this task a lot less time consuming.

Exactly.

I see it like this:When you click on some division on the ground(which in supply of course) in the place where are options for lets say reinforcement and upgrade on/off, to have another option(button)--Atach brigade.When click on this button ,a pool of produced brigades in the left uper corner of the screen is open(if there is produced brigades)and than click on some brigade results in brigade being added to this division.

The concept could be even more powerfully advanced--we could have division"add brigade" button to result that chosen brigade imidiately starts to be produced in production queue.

For instance you have Division 2xArm+1x Mot and chooses from division menu to ad one SP-art brigade.If there is no such brigade produced jet,this brigade starts production and later automathicaly deploys to divsion.I am sure this will be powerfull(and realistic)new tool.
If developer will notice somehow this idea,of course.

 

[unmerged(143223)]

Yep, I second Saint-Exupéry. To choose Division -> Brigade would often be easier than to choose Brigade -> Division as it is currently done. This could also be done with HQ, i.e. you choose an undeployed division to attach to the selected corps/army/etc.

To order the production of brigades from the division interface would also be cool.

 

[unmerged(207443)]

Hmm, I've always opted for 'drop the brigade on map next to division and merge'...
But I'm not totally against this as 'possibly helpful' addition...

This is what I do most of the time and find it to be the most useful process.

 

[unmerged(162341)]

This is what I do most of the time and find it to be the most useful process.

but isnt it that you must detach divison from command hierarchy to merge?
I mean its abit complicated

 

[Dieselboater]

I am glad majority of people find this to be desirable new thing fot the FTM.

Just let me count you guys, I see,one, two, ....5, hm,I dont know do we have enough men for atack on bastille about this issue,but its better than nothing.

Hello, Paradox, one proposal here.

... Make it 6 ;-)

 

[mkupac]

7 then

 

[Forgiven]

but isnt it that you must detach divison from command hierarchy to merge?
I mean its abit complicated

Mmm, no, you don't need to detach from command hierarchy...

That is what happens.