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How many Retinues should I have?

It's 1110 or so, I only have 1200 retinues. What's the ideal amount?

I'm making 60 gold, so I don't have to be stingy.
 

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If you started at the earliest start date, you should be spamming military organization tech from day 1. This should net you a substantial retinue. Maximize it. Never let your retinue be smaller than you can support.

Retinues fight so much better than levies.
 
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If you started at the earliest start date, you should be spamming military organization tech from day 1. This should net you a substantial retinue. Maximize it. Never let your retinue be smaller than you can support.

Retinues fight so much better than levies.

My military organization is the best in the world ;)

Should my economy support that?
 

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What's your tier? How many land do you have?

60 gold/month is good income. I think you can afford about 3-4k of cavalry retinues.
 

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My military organization is the best in the world ;)

Should my economy support that?

It should.

It might be painful purchasing the retinues and getting them filled, but once they are in place, it should be fine.

Things sometimes get dodgy if you are running incredibly expensive retinues while not having a lot of income, but I'd need more detail on your culture and location. If you are located in deserts, and you have certain cultures, camels might be worth the cost. On the other hand, if you are sitting in the mountains of the Alps, maybe heavy cavalry retinues are not worth the cost if you have certain cultures.

If you have a culture that uses heavy infantry retinues of some kind, they are generally useful all around. But retinues are a complicated topic.
 
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Pretty much there's two schools of thought with retinues. The first is the one most of us go with-using retinues as a complement to your regular levies or otherwise building them in enough numbers so they stand on their own. The second is building cheap, low quality light skirmish retinues purely for their intimidation factor to keep your vassals in line.

With that being said, if you're going with the former then think about your culture. Do you happen to be something like Norse and Irish with heavy infantry, Andalusian and Berber with their light cavalry, or Scottish and Italian with their godly pike retinues? If that's not the case, are you something like Greek, Turkish, Persian, or French? Heavy cavalry and horse archers aren't exactly the most bang for your buck though with your high income you might be able to get away with it. If you're outside of some of the cultures mentioned, then a mixture of generic retinues is more than likely the answer.

Beyond that, quantity is definitely a good thing regardless of your school/strategy though do of course consider what you can actually afford. One lost battle or some bad attrition might end up costing you a pretty penny.
 

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It should.

It might be painful purchasing the retinues and getting them filled, but once they are in place, it should be fine.

Things sometimes get dodgy if you are running incredibly expensive retinues while not having a lot of income, but I'd need more detail on your culture and location. If you are located in deserts, and you have certain cultures, camels might be worth the cost. On the other hand, if you are sitting in the mountains of the Alps, maybe heavy cavalry retinues are not worth the cost if you have certain cultures.

If you have a culture that uses heavy infantry retinues of some kind, they are generally useful all around. But retinues are a complicated topic.

Pretty much there's two schools of thought with retinues. The first is the one most of us go with-using retinues as a complement to your regular levies or otherwise building them in enough numbers so they stand on their own. The second is building cheap, low quality light skirmish retinues purely for their intimidation factor to keep your vassals in line.

With that being said, if you're going with the former then think about your culture. Do you happen to be something like Norse and Irish with heavy infantry, Andalusian and Berber with their light cavalry, or Scottish and Italian with their godly pike retinues? If that's not the case, are you something like Greek, Turkish, Persian, or French? Heavy cavalry and horse archers aren't exactly the most bang for your buck though with your high income you might be able to get away with it. If you're outside of some of the cultures mentioned, then a mixture of generic retinues is more than likely the answer.

Beyond that, quantity is definitely a good thing regardless of your school/strategy though do of course consider what you can actually afford. One lost battle or some bad attrition might end up costing you a pretty penny.

I'm Lettigallian- Baltic Warriors.

So should I hire a bunch of them?
 

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I'm Lettigallian- Baltic Warriors.

So should I hire a bunch of them?

Yep. I'll take a stack of them for the center flank in any large battle. They may not be my favorite, but they will do fine.

Are you Suomensko or Romuva? Your religious defensive bonus will stack with the special bonus of Baltic Warriors, making them nigh unstoppable on your home turf.
 

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Yep. I'll take a stack of them for the center flank in any large battle. They may not be my favorite, but they will do fine.

Are you Suomensko or Romuva? Your religious defensive bonus will stack with the special bonus of Baltic Warriors, making them nigh unstoppable on your home turf.

Romuva, but doesn't that go away with Reformation?
 

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Romuva, but doesn't that go away with Reformation?

No. There are some changes to how the levy and garrisons are calculated, but the defensive bonus for fighting in a province of your faith remains. It balances out when fighting your own vassals, but against invaders?

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Defensive pagans can be really OP. In my current ck2+ game, as a Slavic pagan, I was regullary defeating my Christians neighbors HI armies with less numbers and only LI. Of course my character was in another league, 22 martial +aggressive leader+ light foot leader on armies made only of LI and archers. Honestly, one of the best combos in early game. But even after he died, I was able to beat any armies (although by lesser margins)
 

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Defensive pagans can be really OP. In my current ck2+ game, as a Slavic pagan, I was regullary defeating my Christians neighbors HI armies with less numbers and only LI. Of course my character was in another league, 22 martial +aggressive leader+ light foot leader on armies made only of LI and archers. Honestly, one of the best combos in early game. But even after he died, I was able to beat any armies (although by lesser margins)

:eek: With Light Infantry?!?!?!? I'm going to have to start abusing this!
 

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You might add Winter Soldier for complete Overpoweredeness
 

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:eek: With Light Infantry?!?!?!? I'm going to have to start abusing this!
the leader helped a lot. Getting light foot leader and any other damaging trait on an army made 95% of LI and archers is indeed very competitive, as you will probably burn their army before they reach the melee . The same point could be made for retinues: combine with good leaders they can be very OP, as the leader will emphasize the retinue even more
 

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Oh my gosh! Romuva just became much more powerful!

Offer applies to Slavic, West African, and Suomensko as well. Partially applies to Zunist. Offer evid for Germanic paganism and Tengri.
 
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The Defensive Pagans, in other words.

Do the offensive Pagans have any other modifiers besides their OP CBs?

Levy size boosted by 30%.

Also, unreformed Germanic Pagans get a 50% to retinue numbers, although I don't make much use of it before I flip the switch and reform the faith.

Germanic pagans also get their shipyards by magic when the Viking Age begins. And the head of their faith is a secular ruler much like Islam (although the Flykir can't hold temples without penalty).