Retinue as pagan?

[gnosis89]

Just wondering why my retinue is only at 79 if I have some 8 holdings and nearly 5,000 personal levies at my disposal.

 

[Sqwerlpunk]

Just wondering why my retinue is only at 79 if I have some 8 holdings and nearly 5,000 personal levies at my disposal.

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Base retinue cap is primarily given through buildings (HIP appears to currently use vanilla tribal buildings, which grant no retinue cap, unlike castle/city/tradepost/patrician houses) and realm holdings (tribal realms have tiny, tiny realm size relative). As such, tribal realms never have any meaningful retinue cap. Once EMF/PB looks at Tribal/Pagan balance, I'm sure that will change, but for now it's the case. You'll need to go feudal and build/conquer lots of holdings to get retinue cap up.

Kind of funny with Unreformed Norse and their +50% retinue cap can't use retinues.

 

[zijistark]

Yeah, I'll have to add some retinue cap bonuses to demesne tribal holdings when this beta patch business is all wrapped-up. Still, though, those retinues are going to be expensive, and you aren't usually too rich when tribal. Having a lot of levies from vassals does not a professional army fund.

The +50% retinue cap bonus for Norse is a hold-over from TOG that Paradox hasn't thought to update for/since 2.2. I don't really think it makes sense as a bonus with the current retinue cost model (and vanilla and EMF now have the same cost model as of 2.2). Plus, there's really nothing to suggest a Norse ruler could/would employ a larger _professional_ retinue than, say, a Christian ruler.

 

[gnosis89]

But if one plans on becoming a merchant republic (as norse) it becomes rather paramount.