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panther29

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I think you get a modifier with the emperor but it's really weak. The worst part is that even when you're returning lawful territory to the empire from a power hungry foreigner, you still get the same aggresive expansion as taking any other HRE province, which make no sense. At least remove the AE.
 
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Don't you also still qualify for the 'unlawful imperial territory' kick-in-the-teeth if you take land back for the empire? I know you get a claim, but it's still annoying that you recover the empire's land and Austria decides you're acting 'unlawfully'
 
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There should be 25+ with all members in the HRE and mabey 30+ with the emperor.
 

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If Alsace still has a core on its territory after you conquer it back from France, the empire members still see it as lawfully belonging to whoever the heir of the previous dynasty was. It does seem kind of weird that you would get punished for "reclaiming" imperial territory though, so maybe just no unlawful territory if you conquer HRE land from a nonmember?

Seems possible to exploit if you vassal feed to a non-HRE member then demand it later with the new vassal mechanics.
 

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afaik if you (as a HRE member) conquer HRE territory from an outsider, the emperor can't hit you with the unlawful territory bat.
However waiving the extra ae you normally get inside the HRE would be nice.
 

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