Restoring Rome too easy

[Oktobermensch]

I think the main point of this decision is that the "schism" had only been around for 100 or so (or is it less) so it isn't actually all that ridiculous to put things back the way they were less than 100 years earlier. Ending the schism doesn't mean every catholic suddenly follows the orthadox ways it merely means they stop caring about the differences due to the papacy no longer being such a large player in politics.

Schism ocurred in 1054 after disagreements over primacy of Rome vs the Traditional pentarchy. So at the start of the game in 1066 the schism has been going on for only 12 years. Not hard to imagine ending it soon after if Basileus occupies rome and tells the pope to toe the line.

 

[liamgamer55]

Indeed, thanks

 

[riknap]

Schism ocurred in 1054 after disagreements over primacy of Rome vs the Traditional pentarchy. So at the start of the game in 1066 the schism has been going on for only 12 years. Not hard to imagine ending it soon after if Basileus occupies rome and tells the pope to toe the line.

(here we go again?)
the "formal" schism, ie. the mutual excommunication, indeed only happened in 1054.
the "actual" schism, ie. the factors that have slowly separated eastern and western christianity, have been happening for centuries

 

[Oktobermensch]

The philosophy, the culture and politics have drifted apart by that time, yes, but the canon of church beliefs and main theological points were and remain the same even today.

Again, not hard to imagine reassertion of Byzantine influence over Italy and imperial control over Catholics, like they did in the period from 537 to 752. the entire split was based on rome's desire to break free of Imperial control, rather than crushing theologicla differences.

I hate when people generalise and say that Medieval Christians on both sides of the Mediterenean were completely alien to each other; they weren't, especially at the point of the formal excommunication.

 

[BigHamster]

I think the main point of this decision is that the "schism" had only been around for 100 or so (or is it less) so it isn't actually all that ridiculous to put things back the way they were less than 100 years earlier. Ending the schism doesn't mean every catholic suddenly follows the orthadox ways it merely means they stop caring about the differences due to the papacy no longer being such a large player in politics.

Catholic bishops cant marry, for ortodox is is not forbidden(in game it is for gameplay reasons I think). How do you mend this ?

 

[Alorand]

Catholic bishops cant marry, for ortodox is is not forbidden(in game it is for gameplay reasons I think). How do you mend this ?

The rule is that Orthodox Priests can REMAIN married if they were when they took their vows. They can not marry or remarry later.

And it would take a miracle for a Highborn Lady to marry a lowly priest-in-training.

Plus the Church owns the lands and titles, not any particular person, it is therefor inconsequential and needless for the game to simulate whether or not a Bishop has a family at home since it is impossible for their children to inherit.

Interesting fact: It is possible for there to be a married Catholic priest. If an Orthodox Priest with a wife converts to Catholicism he is welcomed as a priest and does not have to divorce his wife.

 

[Roguedemon]

Catholic bishops cant marry, for ortodox is is not forbidden(in game it is for gameplay reasons I think). How do you mend this ?

I think that in the early era of the game catholic bishops were still allowed to be married, although perhaps the celibacy stuff had started by then.

 

[victimizer]

If you start at 1066 as Byzantines, everything is easy. The game is not really meant to be played that way: you should start as something smaller instead.

 

[Beric Dondarion]

It's too easy for the human player. I've always seen AI Byzantine get reduced to 1 county in 50 years.

The human player can go from count to emperor of Britannia with one ruler. It's your fault it's too easy, set some house rules.

 

[Kill3456]

Historically there was a period of time when the Byzantines still controlled Italy and held dominion over the Papacy, since this was before Cardinal elections Popes were being chosen by the Emperor himself or one of his retinue and Popes needed exclusive permission to do anything that politically or religiously tampered with the Byzantine institution. Elections in the Papacy at the point in the games time frame have only really been active for about 20-30 years and the game should model the re-unification of the church as a more politically induced process and doing away with newer Church reforms such as the election and it should be made an effort to subjugate the Papacy as a center of Christianity rather than just flipping a switch and choosing one side or another.


But I don't think the game even has the mechanics to do that.