REQUEST: Character names

[Gothmog]

There was a Hannibal who ran the blockade of Lilybeum I believe, during the first Punic War.

Yep. *Hands Rommel22 three denarii* The other two will go to whoever posts the epithet he was known by.

 

[Rommel22]

Hannibal The Rhodian

 

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I can already see it: Consul Yeah, I'm sexy Caesar.

Meh, who cares? If people want to dink around with their historical experience, let them. People are going to get tired of Praetor R0xx0rz and Consul n00b in their games.

Personally, I would want to be able to Romanize my own name in blatant disregard for historical convention, but beyond that I'd like the AI to suggest names.

 

[Strager]

Meh, who cares? If people want to dink around with their historical experience, let them. People are going to get tired of Praetor R0xx0rz and Consul n00b in their games.

Personally, I would want to be able to Romanize my own name in blatant disregard for historical convention, but beyond that I'd like the AI to suggest names.

Maybe restrict it to single player only if they are worried about people using inappropriate names (effecting its rating in some countries)

 

[alvaro]

but beyond that I'd like the AI to suggest names.

definetively!
maybe if paradox set the names automatic but editable it would do.

 

[Rommel22]

Wait so you would not mind Roman names being given to some Iberian tribe chieftan?

I want historic names to be used for the respective nation.

 

[alvaro]

Wait so you would not mind Roman names being given to some Iberian tribe chieftan?

I want historic names to be used for the respective nation.

Well, I think this can be taken for granted. In CK, at least, Paradox made a great work regarding names.

 

[hildoceras]

Can you just name a paradox game where the names have been utterly false ?

 

[alvaro]

Can you just name a paradox game where the names have been utterly false ?

nope, I talked only about CK because of the character system as a reference for unhistorical names. but I also find paradox quite careful with that.

 

[Rommel22]

Can you just name a paradox game where the names have been utterly false ?

True.

 

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No, not really. Ceasar's uncle's name was Sextus, for example.

to be honest with you, I was confused by it.

What happened was that about 200 BC, The Julian Caesar branch had two sons, one is named Gaius, another is named Sextus,

ever since, all males from Gaius's branch are named Gaius, and Sextus' off springs all named Sextus.

so Gaius Julian Caesar's uncle technically is Sextus Julius Caesar III, and the close friend of Gaius Julius Caesar was his cousin, Sextus Julius Caesar IV.

LOL...this is insane....

 

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Indeed. You really have no idea what you're talking about, bushbush to be quite honest. While it was customary to give certain names to first born children it was not mandatory nor followed. For example, the first born son in the Cornelii Scipiones was traditionally Publius.

Though there were some variations with the praenomina, each family generally used a really small pool of praenomina,

use ur example, the Corneliis, their males mostly Gnaeus, Lucius, and Publius. In Julian Caesar branch, it seems the pool of praenomina is even smaller...

 

[Strager]

Wait so you would not mind Roman names being given to some Iberian tribe chieftan?

I want historic names to be used for the respective nation.

If that iberian tribe chieftan is the son of two people of roman ancestry- YES. Obviously it shouldn't be random, but based on the characters parents.

 

[Strager]

Can you just name a paradox game where the names have been utterly false ?

In EU3 theres a few examples....but nothing incredibly wrong.

 

[Gothmog]

Hannibal The Rhodian

*Hands Rommel the rest of the coins*

As for what I was trying to say with all this (if indeed anything), is that we'll probably get a number of Hannibals, Hasdrubals, Hannos and the like.

It'll be interesting to see if they implement an "epithet system" (for lack of a better word) of some sort... and if so, hopefully a more "advanced" one than in RTW.

 

[Rommel22]

*Hands Rommel the rest of the coins*

As for what I was trying to say with all this (if indeed anything), is that we'll probably get a number of Hannibals, Hasdrubals, Hannos and the like.

It'll be interesting to see if they implement an "epithet system" (for lack of a better word) of some sort... and if so, hopefully a more "advanced" one than in RTW.

Because we lack any historical records from the Carthaginian side and only have Roman and some Greek points of view on history of Carthage they are either one sided, or incomplete. Thus we are left with very limited amount of historical data on names, be it Carthage, the Avreni, Celteberians and other tribes.

We know the most common names in Carthage that were used, so yes we will most likely have some repeating as was the case, and as is today too, which is fine. There were many Hasdrubals and Gisgos and Hannibals, so it is ok to have them in game as well.

The idea of an epithet system is a good one.

 

[Strager]

Because we lack any historical records from the Carthaginian side and only have Roman and some Greek points of view on history of Carthage they are either one sided, or incomplete. Thus we are left with very limited amount of historical data on names, be it Carthage, the Avreni, Celteberians and other tribes.

We know the most common names in Carthage that were used, so yes we will most likely have some repeating as was the case, and as is today too, which is fine. There were many Hasdrubals and Gisgos and Hannibals, so it is ok to have them in game as well.

The idea of an epithet system is a good one.

tying names to ethnicity instead of national origin would help prevent this

 

[Txini]

definetively!
maybe if paradox set the names automatic but editable it would do.

I think best would be a list of names per culture and you being able to select one with each newborn

 

[Gothmog]

Because we lack any historical records from the Carthaginian side and only have Roman and some Greek points of view on history of Carthage they are either one sided, or incomplete. Thus we are left with very limited amount of historical data on names, be it Carthage, the Avreni, Celteberians and other tribes.

We know the most common names in Carthage that were used, so yes we will most likely have some repeating as was the case, and as is today too, which is fine. There were many Hasdrubals and Gisgos and Hannibals, so it is ok to have them in game as well.

My point exactly. Granted, we know some detalis for a few Carthaginian families (Barca of course being the most notable), but beyond that another system is needed.

The idea of an epithet system is a good one.

I do hope it will be included (with the appropriate cognomen for the Romans).

 

[Gothmog]

tying names to ethnicity instead of national origin would help prevent this

Apart from when we have a very limited number of names for a particular ethnicity. Then something is needed to tell one Hasdrubal from the five or so others on your side.

Granted, to what extend such a system will be needed largely depends on how many characters will be in play for the different powers at any given time.