Republics before Pagans, because of reasons?

[Negru Voda]

[This is not Republics vs Pagans flame thread]

I was wondering if you guys have any theories why Republics have been implemented before Pagans.

I'm thinking it might be because PI wants to flesh out Republic mechanics that might serve as a good starting point to simulating the Pagan government types.

I'm just speculating here, as I don't know specifics of how the tribal rule actually was in every case.

Wanna speculate with me? What do you guys think of this? - Obviously it might be a popularity of demand issue, or something else.

 

[Lessing]

Republics played a bigger role for the people on CK2's map than pagans did, even more so the more time passed?

 

[Galle]

Republics have long been in demand, and it was always a toss-up whether they or pagans would come first. I strongly suspect that AGOT had something to do with it as well, given the staggeringly high percentage of people who seem to be more excited for Braavos than Venice.

 

[A_Dane]

I am gonna go on a limp here, and say because they indirectly wanna support a certain mod (ofcourse, completely speculative )

 

[Arko]

I would say because pagans are wiped out from the map within the first 50 years of game.

 

[Negru Voda]

I am gonna go on a limp here, and say because they indirectly wanna support a certain mod (ofcourse, completely speculative )

oh yea, totally forgot that one.

 

[unmerged(147169)]

Because Pagans need a lot more work to do properly (it's not like baltic pagans and finnish pagans were as similar as shia and sunni), is my guess.

 

[Thure]

I would say because pagans are wiped out from the map within the first 50 years of game.

Whats not historicaly... They DLC for them should fix this.

But I also think, that pagans have a lot of more work then Republics. Or eventualy... No reason? They must choose one?

 

[Negru Voda]

I would say because pagans are wiped out from the map within the first 50 years of game.

unless you count the cumans/mongols?

I am gonna go on a limp here, and say because they indirectly wanna support a certain mod (ofcourse, completely speculative )

oh yea, forgot about that one


What kind of government types do you see the pagans working like? Are they basically ready to go... just a few specific casus belli adjustments and flavor events, maybe 1-2 succession laws? - or is there more to it?

 

[Comradebot]

I would say because pagans are wiped out from the map within the first 50 years of game.

Yes, because a Pagan centered DLC would be completely incapable of addressing this and there's a 100% chance it remains this way throughout the entire course of CKII's run.

 

[Sarog]

Because Pagans need a lot more work to do properly (it's not like baltic pagans and finnish pagans were as similar as shia and sunni), is my guess.

This. Republics make for a much more focused DLC than everything that people want from a pagan one-size-fits-all. And the major dlc we've gotten so far have all been quite focused in their aims.

 

[dorukdorucu]

4 words: A Game Of Thrones
WE GONNA GET ESSSOOOOOOSSSS!
Period

 

[Dutchling]

Because republics are a lot more interesting, of course !

 

[grisamentum]

I would say because pagans are wiped out from the map within the first 50 years of game.

facepalm

Cumans don't count? Mongols don't even show up until 1200s?

Hell, there are a couple Norse dukes in Sweden who usually survive.

 

[Tirunus]

Because of Essos and the free cities.

OOOOOOHHHH YEEAAAAAAAAAAH.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Another reason I think is because this might very well mean the devs want more time to think about how to implement pagans, meaning they're thinking about it seriously. Maybe they really are dividing the pagans into steppe pagans and northern (baltic + finnish + norse) as some of us have suggested. Or at the least they're taking time to get ideas on how to make pagans interesting.

 

[Federalist girl]

Republics have long been in demand, and it was always a toss-up whether they or pagans would come first. I strongly suspect that AGOT had something to do with it as well, given the staggeringly high percentage of people who seem to be more excited for Braavos than Venice.

Screw Braavos, I want Volantis!

But actually I'm one of those weirdos who's more excited to play an Italian city-state than a Free City.... though of course, should I ever go back to the AGOT mod, it'll definitely be playing as an Essosi once that's all implemented.

 

[Jeltz]

Screw Braavos, I want Volantis!

But actually I'm one of those weirdos who's more excited to play an Italian city-state than a Free City.... though of course, should I ever go back to the AGOT mod, it'll definitely be playing as an Essosi once that's all implemented.

The problem is that we know so little about the Essosi cities. We know very few names of their noble families, we know little of their poltiical relations and very little of who cotnrols the countryside between the city states.

 

[OrdepNM]

The way I see it, pagans without a new, earlier, starting point is pointless, and starting points take time, effort an are busy work, so I think its possible theyre working on Republics while having development of that in the background. Then,when they do finish republics and start working on pagans, the starting point is ready to go and wont increase development time.

I would say all in all, pagans remain the most requestee feature, but I think we can all agree its a bigger undertaking than republics, so if I could work half-steam on some pagan features, while working on republics, thats what Id choose to do.

 

[dorukdorucu]

The way I see it, pagans without a new, earlier, starting point is pointless, and starting points take time, effort an are busy work, so I think its possible theyre working on Republics while having development of that in the background. Then,when they do finish republics and start working on pagans, the starting point is ready to go and wont increase development time.

I would say all in all, pagans remain the most requestee feature, but I think we can all agree its a bigger undertaking than republics, so if I could work half-steam on some pagan features, while working on republics, thats what Id choose to do.

Actually, taking the timeline back to around Charlemagne shouldn't be a problem as many characters and titles have histories going that back. Hell, i remember seeing a Byzantine emperor who was born on the year 2. TWO. Although he certainly is an exception.