Republican Spain ALWAYS wins

[unmerged(44217)]

I suppose I can't say ALWAYS, but I have played about 7 post-patch games in DD (5 of them handsoff) and, not only does Republican Spain win the Spanish Civil war, they do it EASILY.

As I understand it, the Civil War was started by an army-backed coup, where most of the Army defected to the Nationalists. Its hard to see anything like this play out in HOI2 DD, as Rep. Spain always apears to have more troops from the get-go. I know this game doesn't purport to "replicate" history and I would be fine with the Republicans winning after a long struggle, but such is never the case.

Any thoughts?

 

[The Starfox]

I once watched the civil war start with fog of war turned off, the problem is that most if not all of the existing Spanish army goes to Republican spain, and nationalist spain starts with a much smaller army. Add to that that nationalist Spain gets 1 armored division from germany, and Republican gets 2 armored divisions from the soviets, and theres pretty much your answer.

 

[unmerged(44217)]

True enough, the question is: what did the Nationalists have that enabled them to win the civil war. The setup is pretty acurate, (I'm no big scholar of the SCW) with one glaring exception...the Republican actually KEEP some of their army, this was simply not the case. Because of their obvious links to the Nationalists, the Republican government DISBANDED the regular army, meaning that (excepting the international brigades) the Republican government had to rebuild its army from scratch.

Is there some kind of random event that determines how much of the army goes to the Nationalists? I'm not sure, but I could have sworn that in one game the entire navy defected but very little of the army.

 

[Moltke]

I edited it to change the militia into infantry for the Nationalists and they still lose most of the time. If only they had more airpower...

 

[Beckmann]

In all my games (3x GC'36) the republicans have or would have won, last time they only lost, because I brought 12 divisions from Germany into the fight and even then it wasn't a walk in the park to defeat the republicans.

Quote from Johan's patch info:
"- The republicans will no longer win all the time in the Spanish civil war."

Hmmmm....???

 

[Beckmann]

As to what happend "in reality": The bulk of the Nationalist army stood in Marocco not being able to join the fight. So General Franco, the leader of these troops asked NS-Germany for help. Canaris persuaded Hitler to send transport planes and they brought the Nationalists into the fight.

Source: ZDF (Zweites Deutsches Fernsehen, state-owned television from Germany)- Guido Knopp - Hitlers Krieger - Canaris

 

[Panzerschiffe]

True, latest ive seen the war won by republicans is like mid to late 37.


Its a bug in the ai coding iirc, some line says SPA (R) but should read SPA (N) so the Nationalist AI is really weak and useless.

Though, i dont remember which line and what to edit. So many things need fixing!!

 

[Ex Mudder]

Well, here's one probelm: Rep Spain gets 7 Inf and 6 Mil; Nat Spain gets 8 Mil and 1 Inf. Thats gotta be backward. Anyone know who got Seville, historically?

NatSpain also gets an insane amount of resources - 25k of oil, metal, and rares and 50k energy. Which RepSpain gets about half of if they grab NatSpains capital.

And finally, there's an event which is supposed to give Africa to NatSpain but fires before NatSpain exists (event 3107). I think it should be triggered by 3001, not 3100, and another trigger needs to be tweaked...

They both trigger the same war ai, so I'm not certain that's bad. Tho the research priorities could use with some tweaking - they're pre-war holdovers.

Wierd.

 

[The Starfox]

True, latest ive seen the war won by republicans is like mid to late 37.


Its a bug in the ai coding iirc, some line says SPA (R) but should read SPA (N) so the Nationalist AI is really weak and useless.

Though, i dont remember which line and what to edit. So many things need fixing!!

I noticed that the ai is infuriatingly stupid. Especially for Nat Spain, half the time they are bordering provinces that are not occupide, yet the troops move around to protect all the borders from that unoccupied province, and then sit there, as if waiting for an attack from ghost.

 

[unmerged(55538)]

Please take a look here:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=240640

 

[MotherRussia]

I've started playing 4 or 5 campaigns from 1936 and every single time except for when I interfered, Nationalist Spain won.

 

[unmerged(44784)]

No wonder it was so hard to win the Spanish Civil War as Nationalist Spain....

 

[unmerged(55294)]

out of seven campaigns Nat Spa won only twice. If Nat does not start with very favourable conditions it lose. For example 2 3rd of Spain

 

[Ex Mudder]

Verified

The event that gives North Africa to the Nationalists is broken. It fires a day too soon, there is no SPA for the provinces to go to, they all revert to republican control. I switched it to be triggered by 3001 - Fascist Nation, and it worked fine.



Bug report submitted. Dunno how much this will help the Nationalists win, though.

 

[unmerged(48068)]

Maybe the Republicans aren't getting beheaded by Stalins Commisars like it happened in reality and the SU gives real military support.