Reorganizing to Imperial Administration.

[Sergeant Flutter]

To get Imperial Administration, you need to completely remove the council from power.

How would I go about doing this? I need to reform to Imperial, my realm is large and difficult to manage, Imperial administration is needed.

 

[PAnZuRiEL]

To get Imperial Administration, you need to completely remove the council from power.

How would I go about doing this? I need to reform to Imperial, my realm is large and difficult to manage, Imperial administration is needed.

By ... passing laws? I don't get it. What about the process do you not understand? I assume you've noticed that the laws screen has multiple tabs. Just keep passing laws and fighting rebellions until you can go imperial. If your councilors aren't cooperating, bribe or replace them.

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

By ... passing laws? I don't get it. What about the process do you not understand? I assume you've noticed that the laws screen has multiple tabs. Just keep passing laws and fighting rebellions until you can go imperial. If your councilors aren't cooperating, bribe or replace them.

My council has every power possible (long story)

I know that there's a certain time period between passing laws, 5 years I think. It'd take 40 years!

That's without my vassals trying to empower the council again!

I was wondering if you guys had any techniques to quicken the pace of the reorganization and get it done as quickly and effectively as possible.

 

[BBBD316]

Just bit the bullet and let rebellions happen and then imprison everyone.

Rinse and repeat.

It will take time but it is not meant to be easy.

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

Just bit the bullet and let rebellions happen and then imprison everyone.

Rinse and repeat.

It will take time but it is not meant to be easy.

Oh dear.... Thanks anyway!

 

[Olrox]

Something that could be useful in avoiding or reducing revolts is non-aggression pacts. If you are in an NAP with a vassal, he won't be able to join factions at all. Use the seduction focus to generate a lot of children, then betroth them away for a NAP. They can be 0 year old, it doesn't matter.

 

[PK_AZ]

I was wondering if you guys had any techniques to quicken the pace of the reorganization and get it done as quickly and effectively as possible.

Yes. Having strong personal levies and retinues. Filling your council with people who are content and like you - they have chance to become loyalist. Probably winning at least one civil war. But there's no shortcut, it will take some time.

 

[skunkpuppy]

I never let the council raise its authority, especially when the council starts off abolished. It's an imperial pain fighting off their faction, but it is worth it.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

My council has every power possible (long story)

I know that there's a certain time period between passing laws, 5 years I think. It'd take 40 years!

That's without my vassals trying to empower the council again!

I was wondering if you guys had any techniques to quicken the pace of the reorganization and get it done as quickly and effectively as possible.

Massive bribery seems to be the way forwards for me. Remember only half the votes have to be in your favour...

 

[Dakilla TM]

To get Imperial Administration, you need to completely remove the council from power.

How would I go about doing this? I need to reform to Imperial, my realm is large and difficult to manage, Imperial administration is needed.

Pass laws that take power away from the council. If they rebel then fight them and imprison them. Rinse and repeat if needed. No one said drastically change was easy

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

I made this game Pre-Conclave.

When Conclave hit, there were so many "Increase Council Power" factions it was ridiculous. As soon as you excepted because the faction had 700%, they'd make another!

I just took away one of the council's powers, and let 2 years pass. No faction yet.

Were the factions nerfed in the patch a few weeks ago? I hope so!

 

[alanschu]

Well if your vassals have 700% power that's going to be A Problem™ for sure. Take advantage of your council to keep people out of factions, while making sure their approval is high so they are keen to pass laws.

If you have given up every council rule it's going to be a long and reasonably slow process unfortunately. For myself I also had big gains by having 4 castles in my capital in Osterreich. They all benefit from the tech lead and my steward and marshall help by making huge improvements to levies and taxes.

It might also help to make your Retinues the cheaper ones just so that you get pure manpower bonuses to keep that ratio lower.

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

Well if your vassals have 700% power that's going to be A Problem™ for sure. Take advantage of your council to keep people out of factions, while making sure their approval is high so they are keen to pass laws.

If you have given up every council rule it's going to be a long and reasonably slow process unfortunately. For myself I also had big gains by having 4 castles in my capital in Osterreich. They all benefit from the tech lead and my steward and marshall help by making huge improvements to levies and taxes.

It might also help to make your Retinues the cheaper ones just so that you get pure manpower bonuses to keep that ratio lower.

Well, that was right when Conclave was released, I was still learning how to put people on the council to stop them from joining factions. Also, I had just reformed from Tribal, so my troops were a bit low.

Now my situation's better. I can field 10000 troops and my vassals can field 10000 together. I also have several thousands pieces of gold, so I can hire some mercs.

 

[alanschu]

Well, that was right when Conclave was released, I was still learning how to put people on the council to stop them from joining factions. Also, I had just reformed from Tribal, so my troops were a bit low.

Now my situation's better. I can field 10000 troops and my vassals can field 10000 together. I also have several thousands pieces of gold, so I can hire some mercs.

Nice!

I have formed the Holy Roman Empire (started off as lowly Count in Austria in earliest start ) now so my income is good balanced with a lot more vassals so greater risk for that, and I have learned that creating a few mercenary armies can make a real world of difference for sure! I'd probably have an easier go of it if I didn't also insist on making a large chunk of my retinue the cultural Knights

I originally formed the Empire of Bavaria and with my mega demesne in Austria and Carinthia I was usually able to keep them at bay well enough. But I did often have civil wars but that was strategic as well as it let me revoke titles to keep power distributed. Lots of people in the dungeon though

 

[Xizzie]

So, what are the pros and cons of Imperial Adm? On my current game I can go for it, but since it's ironman and I'm almost reaching my goal with it I really don't wanna screw it up.

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

So, what are the pros and cons of Imperial Adm? On my current game I can go for it, but since it's ironman and I'm almost reaching my goal with it I really don't wanna screw it up.

Imperial Administration allows for Duchy Viceroyalties.

Vassals don't get as big before the title reverts to you on their death.

Byzantines have it at the beginning of the game, it's why they blob so much and are stable.

 

[alanschu]

So, what are the pros and cons of Imperial Adm? On my current game I can go for it, but since it's ironman and I'm almost reaching my goal with it I really don't wanna screw it up.

Only real negative is vassals have -10 opinion.

For every duke level Viceroyalty non-viceroys get -1 opinion too. This seems to go away if you give someone a viceroy (presumably they don't mind so much as they are now benefiting from it).

I've slowly made most of the duchies in my realm viceroyalties. It means I need to deal with reassigning them when characters die, but it's very handy for keeping vassals weaker. For instance I had one viceroy (Bavaria) go conquering up in Bohemia. Ended up placing vassals there. When he died, I gave the viceroyalty to his heir, but because the counts in Bohemia were no longer under them, the heir didn't keep those vassals (and I gave them back to Bohemia).

 

[Xizzie]

If I have vassal kings and change to imperial adm, on their deaths will the titles return to me so I can hand them as viceroys or do I have to revoke to give Viceroy?

Is there any malus for giving away Viceroyalties? Heirs of ex-Viceroys will get claim on title?

I remember I had a playthrough that I went with imperial adm, but it was such a long time ago and I really didn't enjoy it much tbh, that's why I'm asking these questions. There's also the fact tham I'm so used to late feudal that I don't know if the benefits are really worth it.

When I'm managing large empires, I actually like very powerful vassals because it's easier for them to conquer big swats of land for me and I find it easy as well to keep them leashed.

 

[alanschu]

f I have vassal kings and change to imperial adm, on their deaths will the titles return to me so I can hand them as viceroys or do I have to revoke to give Viceroy?

You'll need to revoke the title to institute it as a viceroy. Note that Imperial Administration only gives vassal duchies (you can get viceroy kings with a different law though).

Is there any malus for giving away Viceroyalties? Heirs of ex-Viceroys will get claim on title?

There's the base -10 opinion for having Imperial Administration.
-1 opinion for every Viceroy Duke title handed out, -2 for every Kingdom. Your viceroys do not get this penalty (so if they are all viceroys, this is not an issue).

Heirs do get a claim. This can lead to vassal wars if you give the duchy to someone else (especially if they satisfy weak claims). With Kingdoms this can be a big issue (bug?) as giving usurping titles as a claimant often changes to an elective government. I have had weird issues where a Viceroy Kingdom was no longer being returned to me, or when it was returned to me it was no longer primogeniture. As a result I tend to make sure a powerful duke still becomes Viceroy.