sorry but we can't accept your protest. The political spectrum is a strait line, not a circle so you can't EVER bend over... sorry we can't accept that protest... But we will not forgot your note, thanks
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sorry but we can't accept your protest. The political spectrum is a strait line, not a circle so you can't EVER bend over... sorry we can't accept that protest... But we will not forgot your note, thanks
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Delegates,
discussion of agenda items in Section A. may now begin. Please note that new items may still be added to the agenda; contact me in written form [OOC: by pm] if you wish to do so.
Mr. Julseau, since you do not have delegate or observer status, I'd respectfully ask you not to address this convention. Thank you.
-- P.N.H. Schwarzerd
discussion of agenda items in Section A. may now begin. Please note that new items may still be added to the agenda; contact me in written form [OOC: by pm] if you wish to do so.
Mr. Julseau, since you do not have delegate or observer status, I'd respectfully ask you not to address this convention. Thank you.
-- P.N.H. Schwarzerd
Per chairperson,
Thanks for opening this convention. We look forward to coming to agreement on many issues and even if the different political parties in attendence here do not officially align, at least some consensus can be agreed upon so in the future we can put forward a common agenda.
On some issues in Section A. [Note I am speaking personally and these views may, or may not, represent Party opinion.
Foreign affairs: We support membership in NATO.
I don't see the point really. NATO has outlived its usefullness in my opinion. It is my firm belief that Eutopia should be neutral and be able to chose what, if any, conflicts it should get involved in.
We support increased military funding to replace outdated and unsafe equipment, and to improve training facilities. We call for the abolition of male conscription and the establishment of a purely professional army.
No argument here. The recent development of a tank by Endtech is a step in the right direction. We need to stop being dependent on foreign arms sales, especially in light of recent events. I have also in the past been an outspoken proponent of a small, well-trained professional army capable of dealing with counter terrorism and small insurrections.
Education: tuition is acceptable only if other sources of fudning cannot be found, and must stay within reasonable (affordable) limits to avoid discrimination against students from underprivileged backgrounds.
Not bad; But ideally there is no need for a two-tier educational system.
Economy: Capitalism, when embedded in strong systems of regulation, has proven effective in generating unprecedented levels of wealth. However, unfettered capitalism will produce socially disastrous outcomes. We believe that capitalism has to serve the public, not the other way around. We therefore support a social market economy, that is, a capitalist system with strong controls to ensure social justice.
More or less. Added to that, I believe in a strong public system, that is I do not believe in privatisation of health, transportation, utilities, etc. etc.
Public transport: Public transport should *be* public; we support the nationalization of railways, bus systems and subways to reduce consumer costs and make public transport more widely accessible.
We should also encourage public transportation as much as possible, by keeping user costs low and subsidizing senior citiizens and the unemployed. A good public transportation infrastructure will lead to a cleaner enviornment.
All in all, I am more or less in agreement with the majority of items in Section A. The only issue really, is NATO.
Thanks for listening
Josephus I
Thanks for opening this convention. We look forward to coming to agreement on many issues and even if the different political parties in attendence here do not officially align, at least some consensus can be agreed upon so in the future we can put forward a common agenda.
On some issues in Section A. [Note I am speaking personally and these views may, or may not, represent Party opinion.
Foreign affairs: We support membership in NATO.
I don't see the point really. NATO has outlived its usefullness in my opinion. It is my firm belief that Eutopia should be neutral and be able to chose what, if any, conflicts it should get involved in.
We support increased military funding to replace outdated and unsafe equipment, and to improve training facilities. We call for the abolition of male conscription and the establishment of a purely professional army.
No argument here. The recent development of a tank by Endtech is a step in the right direction. We need to stop being dependent on foreign arms sales, especially in light of recent events. I have also in the past been an outspoken proponent of a small, well-trained professional army capable of dealing with counter terrorism and small insurrections.
Education: tuition is acceptable only if other sources of fudning cannot be found, and must stay within reasonable (affordable) limits to avoid discrimination against students from underprivileged backgrounds.
Not bad; But ideally there is no need for a two-tier educational system.
Economy: Capitalism, when embedded in strong systems of regulation, has proven effective in generating unprecedented levels of wealth. However, unfettered capitalism will produce socially disastrous outcomes. We believe that capitalism has to serve the public, not the other way around. We therefore support a social market economy, that is, a capitalist system with strong controls to ensure social justice.
More or less. Added to that, I believe in a strong public system, that is I do not believe in privatisation of health, transportation, utilities, etc. etc.
Public transport: Public transport should *be* public; we support the nationalization of railways, bus systems and subways to reduce consumer costs and make public transport more widely accessible.
We should also encourage public transportation as much as possible, by keeping user costs low and subsidizing senior citiizens and the unemployed. A good public transportation infrastructure will lead to a cleaner enviornment.
All in all, I am more or less in agreement with the majority of items in Section A. The only issue really, is NATO.
Thanks for listening
Josephus I
About MDIA, I belive we should accept the main directrix of the MRC and utilizade this way solving great part of the problem with the budget, so we will cut 8 BILION ducats
We should have an good diplomat in this officer, we need to charm the USA and the EU, our main allies
About MECT, we should accept the main directrix of the HEC, try to protect the minoritys, and do what I did propose in the parliament
I'll post that foward in the next elections with a new budget MTEF I'll post tommorrow because this is VERY important!
EDIT: I belive we should give more founds to the ENDTech, with the problems we are having with the USA and the EU
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Vasco,
please clarify what the Commission recommendations you mention consist of. More generally, since we are formulating a party programme rather than specific policy proposals, it's probably not necessary to go into too much detail regarding concrete policies.
-- P.N.H. Schwarzerd
please clarify what the Commission recommendations you mention consist of. More generally, since we are formulating a party programme rather than specific policy proposals, it's probably not necessary to go into too much detail regarding concrete policies.
-- P.N.H. Schwarzerd
Since its an MDIA issue, I'd like to talk about the USN base in Farpoint
First off, the US Navy has been, on the whole, a good neighbor over the past 50 years. It has supplied good jobs to the Fapoint community and been a link with the worlds leading superpower.
However, events have taken such a turn in recent months as to change the US navy presence from welcomed partners to hostile occupiers.
One of the reasons may be hostility and distrust toward the muslim population in the region after 9/11, but this is if anything a indirect factor. More directly has been the US willingness to act against countries it deems a threat, especially muslim ones, while ignoring or being outright hostile toward the diplomatic community. However, alone I am certain these two issues would not have resulted in the current crisis.
More important is the US dogma that no US personell are to be extradited under any circumstances, no matter the validity or seriousness of the charges against them. This represents a direct undermining of the athority of our judical system. In order to be legitimate the law must both protect and apply to all people equally. The minute exceptions are made or extra rights afforded because of a persons race, religion or country of origin, the first step has been taken toward segregation and the creation of an overclass. The case of 2lt Henson dramatically illustrates this fact, as a precedent has been set that a member of the new American overclass can literally rape a local woman without fear of the law.
Some have called for a 'comprimise' of allowing Henson to be tried in a navy court martial. Thsi however sets the precedent that the US navy's jurisdiction covers not a limited area around their base but a kind of roving bubble around all Americans- that, in other words, they will have exclusive right to police themselves. This is not acceptable for any other organization doing buisness in Eutopia. If a Eutopian Market employee robs a bank we do not let the Smith Corporation conduct the trial.
The simple fact is that as long as the US holds to this policy (which will likely be at least the duration of the present administration) the Navy base cannot exist in freindship with the local community. If the government wishes to continue to have credibility in the eyes of the WET population they must insist on either the ending of this neo-apratheid or the turnover of the facility to the Eutopian Navy or a third party willing to respect local law.
First off, the US Navy has been, on the whole, a good neighbor over the past 50 years. It has supplied good jobs to the Fapoint community and been a link with the worlds leading superpower.
However, events have taken such a turn in recent months as to change the US navy presence from welcomed partners to hostile occupiers.
One of the reasons may be hostility and distrust toward the muslim population in the region after 9/11, but this is if anything a indirect factor. More directly has been the US willingness to act against countries it deems a threat, especially muslim ones, while ignoring or being outright hostile toward the diplomatic community. However, alone I am certain these two issues would not have resulted in the current crisis.
More important is the US dogma that no US personell are to be extradited under any circumstances, no matter the validity or seriousness of the charges against them. This represents a direct undermining of the athority of our judical system. In order to be legitimate the law must both protect and apply to all people equally. The minute exceptions are made or extra rights afforded because of a persons race, religion or country of origin, the first step has been taken toward segregation and the creation of an overclass. The case of 2lt Henson dramatically illustrates this fact, as a precedent has been set that a member of the new American overclass can literally rape a local woman without fear of the law.
Some have called for a 'comprimise' of allowing Henson to be tried in a navy court martial. Thsi however sets the precedent that the US navy's jurisdiction covers not a limited area around their base but a kind of roving bubble around all Americans- that, in other words, they will have exclusive right to police themselves. This is not acceptable for any other organization doing buisness in Eutopia. If a Eutopian Market employee robs a bank we do not let the Smith Corporation conduct the trial.
The simple fact is that as long as the US holds to this policy (which will likely be at least the duration of the present administration) the Navy base cannot exist in freindship with the local community. If the government wishes to continue to have credibility in the eyes of the WET population they must insist on either the ending of this neo-apratheid or the turnover of the facility to the Eutopian Navy or a third party willing to respect local law.
Mr. Morgan,Originally posted by Hajji Giray I
like me? *Bambi eyes*
I'd ask you to respect the rules of this convention and not address it directly. Thank you.
-- P.N.H. Schwarzerd
I think this section needs to be expanded. I think it fails to convey our belief that Eutopia must join the citizenry of the world and become part of that world community. Further, our joining NATO, in light of Senator Bloward's recent actions, seems very unlikely. Perhaps we should put our focus in a different direction?
I think this essentially still reflects our beliefs. I would further add that "We believe that the military must accept civilian control and authority."
Education is not a field in which I have any particular knowledge (OOC:
)) and would just ask if this reflects the work Vasco has done on the Higher Ed Reform CommitteeThe last part of this seems like it is misplaced in this section and belongs in a section about crime or justice. I think something about the RD's celebration of diversity would also belong here.
I think this is an excellent position and should be kept as is.
Again a good section.
-Dr. Jonathon Glasser
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I agree strongly here that nationalization and the development of good public transportation should be a goal of ours. The societal benefits are large and fit within our overall philosophy.
-Dr. Jonathon Glasser
It was placed in the current section because it deals with the prevention of language-based disadvantage and is hence a concern of ethnic groups. Of course, as with many issues, it doesn't touch on one category only; however, I believe it's a better fit under ethnicity than under administration of justice, especially considering that the proposed measure is only *one* possible example of measures designed to avoid language-based disadvantage.
-- P.N.H. Schwarzerd
Well I think it is such a specific example as to be wrong. Perhaps something to the effect of "Discrimination because of a language spoken must be avoided in the judicary, government, and other forms of public life".
-Dr. Jonathon Glasser
-Dr. Jonathon Glasser
I'm not sure it's "wrong" as such, but I can see that it might be too specific and would therefore support the suggested alteration. I'd add "Appropriate measures to prevent or alleviate language-based disadvantage in those areas should be put in place," though.
-- P.N.H. Schwarzerd
about MTEF
Finaces, we need a new budget and the reform of our tax sistem... [OOC: what is our tax sistem? /]
Economy, We need a strong public service to reanimate the economy
Trade, We should desenvolve the NLC hub for transatlatic trade
Domestic Transportation, I do belive we should try to keep it other the govermental wing... BUT I'm a bit liberal in terms of economy and with the problematic budget we have we should think privatization...
Public works, I don't have many information, to coment
Forestry, we need to defendour forests so it don't happen like in many conutry where the govemerments don't protect it and let it burn
Energy, we need to renew our energy sistem, so it don't polute so much and start making some money
Agric, again not much info to comment
Natural resorces, we most invest in this area so sell more and better so we can make or money
Finaces, we need a new budget and the reform of our tax sistem... [OOC: what is our tax sistem? /]
Economy, We need a strong public service to reanimate the economy
Trade, We should desenvolve the NLC hub for transatlatic trade
Domestic Transportation, I do belive we should try to keep it other the govermental wing... BUT I'm a bit liberal in terms of economy and with the problematic budget we have we should think privatization...
Public works, I don't have many information, to coment
Forestry, we need to defendour forests so it don't happen like in many conutry where the govemerments don't protect it and let it burn
Energy, we need to renew our energy sistem, so it don't polute so much and start making some money
Agric, again not much info to comment
Natural resorces, we most invest in this area so sell more and better so we can make or money
Originally posted by Melanchthon
I'm not sure it's "wrong" as such, but I can see that it might be too specific and would therefore support the suggested alteration. I'd add "Appropriate measures to prevent or alleviate language-based disadvantage in those areas should be put in place," though.
-- P.N.H. Schwarzerd
I think that's good wording indeed.
-Dr. Jonathon Glasser
about the MRC: here it is
in a more generical term I would say, that we should accept what the commition said and USE it...
in a more generical term I would say, that we should accept what the commition said and USE it...
about the international relations, I think that we should not try to enter the NATO, because that is a dieing organization, BUT we should keep the american base was a link between our two nations... We CAN'T cut of from them...
I remind delegates once again that the task before us is to construct a party programme - that is, an expression of our party philosophy which of necessity needs to be rather general - and not a detailed policy catalogue. Thank you.
-- P.N.H. Schwarzerd
-- P.N.H. Schwarzerd
Originally posted by Melanchthon
I remind delegates once again that the task before us is to construct a party programme - that is, an expression of our party philosophy which of necessity needs to be rather general - and not a detailed policy catalogue. Thank you.
-- P.N.H. Schwarzerd
I know
I'll post "things" more in general in the future... you can call what I did, somthing like the future work of "our" future goverment
This is what I recomend
Section A (Days 3, 4, 5)
Foreign affairs: Eutopia must have an active roll in international affairs with the previllige on North Atlantic relations. We do not support membership in any military alliance (do not include: This meaning we should not join the NATO )
Military: We compreend that the military is one of the most important issues in the today's world, Eutopia must have a modern defensive armed forces, to this to happen we accept the delibirations of the Military Reform Commistion (8th-12th post ) If necessary the Eutopia armed forces will not esitate in buing weaponship from other countries that our tradional allies ( please read USA and EU )
Education: We believe that every student is entitled to receive instruction delivered in any Eutopian language they choose, provided this is feasible and numbers warrant. High school: we believ that every student should be able to speak two of the three major Eutopian languages on graduation. University: we believe that post-secondary education must be accessible to all Eutopians; tuition is acceptable only if other sources of fudning cannot be found, and must stay within reasonable (affordable) limits to avoid discrimination against students from underprivileged backgrounds.
Ethnic groups: Eutopia is a multicultural country. Minority members must have equal access to societal goods and services. Disadvantage based on language must be avoided as far as possible, for example by providing defendants with the services of an official translator where the language of the Court is not their own.
Economy: Capitalism, when embedded in strong systems of regulation, has proven effective in generating unprecedented levels of wealth. However, unfettered capitalism will produce socially disastrous outcomes. We believe that capitalism has to serve the public, not the other way around. We therefore support a social market economy, that is, a capitalist system with strong controls to ensure social justice.
We do defend capitalism, sane capitalism, a capitalism where the employer can not do whatever he belives a capitalism where the state was a important moderative roll and when/if necessary too be active roll in the economy, We do belive in a good, strong and stable public service is necessary to the good of the economy ( one would complement the other, not simpling adding this to the first
Public transport: Public transport should *be* public; we support the nationalization of railways, bus systems and subways to reduce consumer costs and make public transport more widely accessible. But we do understand that only when we have the good budget situation we can proside with this measures
EDIT: I added the issue I said 3 posted down
Section A (Days 3, 4, 5)
Foreign affairs: Eutopia must have an active roll in international affairs with the previllige on North Atlantic relations. We do not support membership in any military alliance (do not include: This meaning we should not join the NATO
) Military: We compreend that the military is one of the most important issues in the today's world, Eutopia must have a modern defensive armed forces, to this to happen we accept the delibirations of the Military Reform Commistion (8th-12th post ) If necessary the Eutopia armed forces will not esitate in buing weaponship from other countries that our tradional allies ( please read USA and EU )
Education: We believe that every student is entitled to receive instruction delivered in any Eutopian language they choose, provided this is feasible and numbers warrant. High school: we believ that every student should be able to speak two of the three major Eutopian languages on graduation. University: we believe that post-secondary education must be accessible to all Eutopians; tuition is acceptable only if other sources of fudning cannot be found, and must stay within reasonable (affordable) limits to avoid discrimination against students from underprivileged backgrounds.
Ethnic groups: Eutopia is a multicultural country. Minority members must have equal access to societal goods and services. Disadvantage based on language must be avoided as far as possible, for example by providing defendants with the services of an official translator where the language of the Court is not their own.
Economy: Capitalism, when embedded in strong systems of regulation, has proven effective in generating unprecedented levels of wealth. However, unfettered capitalism will produce socially disastrous outcomes. We believe that capitalism has to serve the public, not the other way around. We therefore support a social market economy, that is, a capitalist system with strong controls to ensure social justice.
We do defend capitalism, sane capitalism, a capitalism where the employer can not do whatever he belives a capitalism where the state was a important moderative roll and when/if necessary too be active roll in the economy, We do belive in a good, strong and stable public service is necessary to the good of the economy ( one would complement the other, not simpling adding this to the first
Public transport: Public transport should *be* public; we support the nationalization of railways, bus systems and subways to reduce consumer costs and make public transport more widely accessible. But we do understand that only when we have the good budget situation we can proside with this measures
EDIT: I added the issue I said 3 posted down
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