Rename some pagan religions

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I want to change some names of pagan religions that I since absurdic.

Now - Propose:
Slavic - Rodnovery
German - Heathenry
Hellenic - Olympianic
Suomenusko - Ukonusko

 

[Tryvenyal]

Because the best thing to do in a game with a historical setting is to make up fantasy names for real world things.

Well.. Someone has already done exactly that. Does it get more authority because it was a generalizing historican 70-100 years ago? Truth is the terms "Slavic" and "Germanic"did NOT exist in 8th century - niether in the case of naming a religion or a cultural/etnic group.

 

[SBolshevik]

Well.. Someone has already done exactly that. Does it get more authority because it was a generalizing historican 70-100 years ago? Truth is the terms "Slavic" and "Germanic"did NOT exist in 8th century - niether in the case of naming a religion or a cultural/etnic group.

The term Slavic did exist - I think you ought to brush up on your history right there; and there was a reason historians labelled the religions thusly - because it was only the members of those ethnic groups that followed these religions (albeit there might have been syncretism in some places of interethnic contact).

One thing to keep in mind is that all of these religions represent an extremely wide and diverse set of beliefs; ergo, labelling them according to gods, for example, is imposssible, because among the Serbs and the Arkonans the main god was Svetovid/Świętowit, not Perun. The Uralic faith is also problematic, because it represents the extremely diverse and often unrelated faiths of the peoples who speak Uralic languages, so you have the beliefs of the Sámi, Finns, Erzya, Moksha, Samoyeds, Komi, Khanty and Mansi peoples as one faith, with there being a focus on the Finns.

 

[Tryvenyal]

The term Slavic did exist - I think you ought to brush up on your history right there; and there was a reason historians labelled the religions thusly - because it was only the members of those ethnic groups that followed these religions (albeit there might have been syncretism in some places of interethnic contact).

And you claim the context of the word was the etnic group we call "Slavic" today back then? I don't claim the word did not exist, just that it did not mean what it does today.

Muslim religions are mainly arabic believers. It´s wrong to say "Muslims = Arabs".
Christanity is born from Roman´s. Nobody calls Christians "Roman's".
... and to my knowledge they didn't 1000 years ago either. And if they did, it was incorrect.

Religions ofcause have alot influense from the cultures they are mainly covering.
All ingame pagans are very generalized and covering many different cults of the pagan generalization.
Ingame, both "Catholic" and "Germanic(Refomed)" is a full fletched religion. They should be treated as such!

Assuming you are right - "Germans" did call both the Slavic people an their religion "Slavic" - The Pommeranian people surely didn't! They where Pommeranian for sure, belvieving in their gods, which had it´s own name and ofc differed alot from what the Croations believed in, in their opinion.
Then the religions should correctly be localized do display different names depending of the culture and/or religion of the player charachter. This would ofc be totally undoable...

 

[SBolshevik]

Oh boy, mistakes, mistakes. No, Christianity was not born from Romans, it was born from Judaism and peoples under the Roman Empire (not all of whom were Roman) adopted Christianity. not to mention that the first Christian states were Armenia and Georgia, not the Roman Empire. Most Muslims are not Arabs, most definitely, I think you're doing yourself a great disservice by ignoring all of North Africa and the former Persian Empire, as well as parts of India, Central Asia and Anatolia.

Of course they didn't call it "Slavic", they just called them "the gods" or "the faith", because it was the only faith they knew. While religion certainly had a place in pagan society it was not branded as anything special other than "our beliefs", with all else likely just being marked as "not our beliefs". And what are you going to do, arbitrarily translate that term into random languages?

 

[Tryvenyal]

Oh boy, mistakes, mistakes. No, Christianity was not born from Romans, it was born from Judaism and peoples under the Roman Empire (not all of whom were Roman) adopted Christianity. not to mention that the first Christian states were Armenia and Georgia, not the Roman Empire. Most Muslims are not Arabs, most definitely, I think you're doing yourself a great disservice by ignoring all of North Africa and the former Persian Empire, as well as parts of India, Central Asia and Anatolia.

You are good at finding errors in my text This is mainly tempus(now/then) related in this case. Yes muslims are alot more then arabs today but during CK era it looked abit different.

The first christans was definatly people living in the Roman Empire. They were Romans by culture(Roman religion I´d call Hellenic) and previously jews. Not claiming Roman Empire was the first Christian State, though I did not know Armenia and Georgia was, thanks.

Of course they didn't call it "Slavic", they just called them "the gods" or "the faith", because it was the only faith they knew. While religion certainly had a place in pagan society it was not branded as anything special other than "our beliefs", with all else likely just being marked as "not our beliefs". And what are you going to do, arbitrarily translate that term into random languages?

As you have found out, I don't have a good solution either. Just saying "Slavic" and "Germanic" is not good solutions, though.

 

[SBolshevik]

If you have no good solution, saying "this is a bad solution" doesn't really mean anything. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Tryvenyal]

If you have no good solution, saying "this is a bad solution" doesn't really mean anything. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Disagree. I don't need a complete solution or implementation in hand to brand a current implementatino as bad. It would be better if I had and would look less less whining though
Besides I have told how I would like it to be. Just there are no realistic way of going there because the way the game is designed and the historical sources in the area.. It´s a strenght to discard and not get stuck in a (good) implementation that is unrealistic to reach, isn't it?

 

[moscal]

Why are all pagans except Tengri and Zun falling under pt 3

This will be "maybelogy" but.
Tengri wasn't strong connected with one ethnic group, therefore can get universal usage so and name wasn't ethnic.
Zun maybe should be part of Hinduism, but higher primitivism lead to treat them as pagans.