Rename Mongolia into Khalkha

[KleinerMoses]

Hello everybody

I would like to suggest a name change for Mongolia.

In 1444 (and even until 1821) there was no Mongolia. After the collapse of the Mongolian Empire the mongol controlled areas were named after the dominating tribes or their dynasty.
Thats why we have Oirats, Buryats and so on. The Area of EUIV Mongolia was controlled by the Khalkha. The Khalkha today are the ancestors of about 70% of the population in Mongolia.
Khalkha would still be a simplification of the different tribes, which ruled in this area. But it would still be more accurate than it is now.

Any further sources can be found here:

Mongolia - Genghis Khan, Golden Horde, Chagatai, and Il-Khans

Genghis Khan had already dealt with the problem of succession. Each of his four sons was to hold a vassal kingdom. Jöchi, the eldest, was given the land from the Yenisey River and the Aral Sea westward “as far as the hooves of Mongol horses have reached”—a wording attributed to Genghis Khan...

www.britannica.com

Khalkha Mongols - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for reading and have a good time!

Cheers,
Moses

 

[TheWalttu]

Are you aware that there already is a tag called Khalkha ingame?

 

[KleinerMoses]

Are you aware that there already is a tag called Khalkha ingame?

Well, now I am ;D

 

[FleetingRain]

Now that you said it, why do we have both Khalkha and Mongolia? What do they represent?

 

[xavdang]

Now that you said it, why do we have both Khalkha and Mongolia? What do they represent?

Mongolia is meant to represent the remains of the Northern Yuan Dynasty, that's why they begin as a vassal of Oirat. They could have used the Yuan tag, but I think this tag is supposed to be a "reward" for conquering China, and considering forming Yuan is an achievement (I'm also pretty sure it was added later). The Khalkha is meant to represent the Khalkha Khanate which can spawn via revolts and appears in later start dates before getting conquered by Qing. Another important detail in my opinion, is that the name "Mongolia" is used a bit like a brand because it's already famous: even though it's probably wasn't used that much at the time, is easily recognizable to anyone who navigates the 1444 start date map, and it probably appeals more people than "Northern Yuan Dynasty".

 

[NaiveCarto]

the 1444 scanerio's Mongolia tag in fact represents the Mongolia ruled under Tohtaha Buqa( or tayisun qahan) , Khalkha tumen is not lived in today's outer Mongolia and never conquered today's outer Mongolia before late 16th century.

 

[NaiveCarto]

This map is extremely wrong if labelled as Mongolia in 15th century, it looks like more than the situation of Mongolia in 17th century, this map must be drawn by Khalkha Mongolian.
In fact in 1500AD, the western part of Outer Mongolia today(east to Altai) is still controlled by Oirat, the eastern part of Outer Mongolia toda is controlled by Uriankhai tumen, and Khalkha tumen lived in where today's Khalkha river basin.
As for 15th century, it is the era of Oirat.

 

[EasternTiger]

This map is extremely wrong if labelled as Mongolia in 1500AD, it looks like more than the situation of Mongolia in 1600AD, this map must be drawn by Khalkha Mongolian.
In fact in 1500AD, the western part of Outer Mongolia today(east to Altai) is still controlled by Oirat, the eastern part of Outer Mongolia toda is controlled by Uriankhai tumen, and Khalkha tumen lived in where today's Khalkha river basin.

Because the map is labeled as Mongolia In XV Century. The 15th century refers to the 1400s not the 1500s, which is why the Oirats, the Uriankhai and Aq Qoyunlu are in the map.

 

[JKiller96]

Mongolia is essentially the best name right now. The most accurate name is Northern Yuan, but naming countries after dynasties tends to be very unfavorable as they change.

 

[NaiveCarto]

Because the map is labeled as Mongolia In XV Century. The 15th century refers to the 1400s not the 1500s, which is why the Oirats, the Uriankhai and Aq Qoyunlu are in the map.

15th century is more wrong,in fact looks like 17th century.