Removing exploits in 1.5.1

[DrBolle]

As an introduction:
I think every Hoi 4 player is familliar with at least one exploit the game offers.
For those who want to know more exploits, feel free to visit FeedBackGamings HoI 4 Exploits playlist .

Cite podcat:
"Prevented exploit of tech swapping military doctrines by starting level 2 tech in the current branch before switching to a different branch."

The idea behind this thread is pointing on far worse exploits and to pay attention on it. (View the exploit videos from FeedBackGaming for more knowledge)

Imo the worst exploits currently ingame:
- attrition by cutting of from capital/encircling a capital without taking it
- Lend-Lease and equipmentcheating
- Spain as Italys free puppet

Especially the first one is a major drawback to China with WTT that focusses on China.
I call it a meme-war by now due to encircling Nanjing (without taking it) with Japan and taking the rest of China without opposition and then peacedealing them all.

And the least hamfull gets fixed by now?
Sure it is an exploit overall but what does it do? It changes the first tech of doctrines. Nothing more. (btw that means you dont have to spend a -50% research bonus or ~240 days of research without)
Before it has been declared an exploit by podcat some patches ago I though it has been a feature. A feature for better experiences while playing.

This all just blows my mind!


I hope we all can pay more attention to it and the devs are going to fix this exploit sh1t asap
Good afternoon/evenging you all o7

 

[Duke_Dave]

Encircling a capital is a major issue especially with China, it happens even a lot without planning because the AI pours so many troops into Nanjing and has fortresses in there that a 12er stack division might hold itself there and than the rest of China collapses with the capital falling last without much input of the player causing this.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I don't think any exploit should receive more attention than the fact that core mechanics and controls don't work. While exploits are worth fixing, players can at least not do them.

Players can not avoid broken mechanics like war contribution, wrong capitulation, wrong occupation, micro penalty battle planner (intentional regression), or non-functional garrison orders. There is no player workaround whatsoever for some of these, and they impact all skill levels. In contrast, glitching the game for resources or switching doctrine for free is something the player must take express actions to accomplish.

The game working should be higher priority than exploits. I know this is a novel concept here, since EU 4 has a long history of pulling this weird prioritization too, but come on.

 

[DrBolle]

The game working should be higher priority than exploits. I know this is a novel concept here, since EU 4 has a long history of pulling this weird prioritization too, but come on.

I dont say this should receive the most attention but it isnt either for hiding under a carpet.

Especially in MP you can not controll whether a player has cheated himself equipment with the Lend-Lease mechanic or not. You can only controll convoys or aircrafts but thats it.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I dont say this should receive the most attention but it isnt either for hiding under a carpet.

Especially in MP you can not controll whether a player has cheated himself equipment with the Lend-Lease mechanic or not. You can only controll convoys or aircrafts but thats it.

I agree it's worth changing, and would prioritize it over new content.

But when it comes to wrong-caps/occupations or broken controls there's nothing you can do. Even if you play in a closed group with only honest players or entirely SP, you STILL run into the issues I outlined. That's why I consider them top priority.

 

[billcorr]

- Lend-Lease and equipmentcheating

Lend lease overflow bug?

If your talking about the 1 million equipment from LL then that seems to be fixed here:

- Added caps for the equipment counts to avoid overflows

Added caps for the equipment counts to avoid overflows

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[BeauNiddle]

Just a quick note:

If you want the exploits fixes at least include an explanation of how to do them and/or a save file

It would probably help if you posted in the bug forum as well.

 

[Meglok]

Yeah, the Italy puppets Spain by demanding and releasing the Baeleric Islands is obviously an code issue exploit, but it is also easily banned by MP rules. Has anyone reported it the the bug forum?

Encircling a capital is an issue thay has to do with supply mechanics that has existed in some form since HOI3. Probably not an easy code fix.

The free equipment exploit thru disbanding focus created templates is kind of involved. I think it may be addressed in 1.5 and the hot fixes. I know 1.5 SS templates are locked and cant be changed.

 

[DrBolle]

Just a quick note:

If you want the exploits fixes at least include an explanation of how to do them and/or a save file

It would probably help if you posted in the bug forum as well.

True story.
But I have also linked footage that can easily be seen.
Not to be offending, I think everyone knows how to start a YT video and watch it
(due to seeing the exact link before opening it in a link preview I think there shouldnt be a problem with trustworthiness)

It is explained how every exploit works.
(I dont know if these are all exploits or if there are more unknown.)

Lend lease overflow bug?

Jep. Exactly.

 

[billcorr]

Encircling a capital is an issue thay has to do with supply mechanics that has existed in some form since HOI3. Probably not an easy code fix.

I don't know how difficult it would be, but would it be possible to code the game so that units can obtain supply and equipment from any city within the original borders?

...haven't thought it out thoroughly, there's likely some good reasons not to.

 

[billcorr]

Jep. Exactly.

Let there be much rejoicing!



Podcat's change log addresses that very concern about the Lend Lease Overflow Bug.

Giving credit where credit is due.

Granted, the other two issues should be addressed and the OP deserves credit for highlighting them:

- Equipment loss by cutting of from capital/encircling a capital without taking it
- Spain as Italy's free puppet​

 

[Officer Crabtree]

Lend lease overflow bug?

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The maximum amount of equipment that can be lend leased monthly is now limited to 2147483 so overflow is no longer possible

Just confirmed this by releasing Ukraine as Poland and trying to lend-lease them 2400000 arty 1 but the game automatically limits it to 2147483

 

[Officer Crabtree]

Making focuses spawn 25 heavy tank battalion divisions by renaming existing division templates to the division names you get from focuses also doesn't work anymore (just tried as Romania)