Removing Evil Tax Collectors

[N Katsyev]

I'd really like the ability to remove baliffs from provinces, however we'd probably have to make this impossible if a Chief Judge is hired in the province as well. But does anyone else really shrare this desire? Anyone can think of some pretty major pros and/or cons in doing this? My biggest idea of the pro, is the ability to diminish revolt risk in different culture/religion provinces, that with a tax collector and the additional +3 RR, can be a little harsh. Surely a monarch could decide to take it easy tax-wise on these already not quite so stable regions. Also, this isn't like a Mayor that effects something such as Inflation that could be exploited, with the removal of the Bailiff we would just see a -1 to province incomes.... Anyway, those are my ideas on it that are coming to mind.

 

[Juice]

I agree 100 percent, if I elect to not tax a new province or to give tax breaks to a region that should be my choice

Juice

 

[unmerged(4444)]

Same here.

Phil

 

[unmerged(14784)]

I'm on the fence.

I think that they don't really make enough of a difference, however, if you're, say, Spain, throwing a Tax Collecter in Roussilion wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

[unmerged(9811)]

Hey!

I've been suggesting this for months. And I don't remember anyone supporting me.

Oh well, what's past is past. I'm with you.

 

[N Katsyev]

Re: Hey!

Originally posted by Ifurita
I've been suggesting this for months. And I don't remember anyone supporting me.

Oh well, what's past is past. I'm with you.

I support you!

 

[unmerged(9811)]

Re: Re: Hey!

Originally posted by N Katsyev
I support you!

Aren't you sweet? *tweaks your cheek*

 

[e80e80]

Re: Re: Re: Hey!

Originally posted by Ifurita
Aren't you sweet? *tweaks your cheek*

LOL im with you on this remove baliffs
but dont touch my cheek

 

[Prince Eugene]

I think it should only be possible to remove tax collectors in noncultural and nonreligionist provinces to keep it from being exploited in preventing WE. It would be nice to lose some money off of stability investments to represent the fired tax collector.

I've always wished that you could lose fractions of your stability. The best way to implement this would be losing say 50 ducats from your stability spending.

 

[DGuller]

I've never quite understood how tax collectors, chief judges, and governors work. Do they give a flat income increase in any province, or does it depend on how rich the province is?

 

[N Katsyev]

Originally posted by Prince Eugene
I think it should only be possible to remove tax collectors in noncultural and nonreligionist provinces to keep it from being exploited in preventing WE. It would be nice to lose some money off of stability investments to represent the fired tax collector.

I've always wished that you could lose fractions of your stability. The best way to implement this would be losing say 50 ducats from your stability spending.

Intersting point, however I think the costs in re-hiring a bunch of tax collectors would make firing them all right before or during a war a rather expensive precaution. As it is, one could just simply not build them in the first place, however one has little control over that in provinces gained from other powers.

 

[Nikolai II]

Tax collectors give set increase of 1 in both of tax and production incomes.

And I'm against removal removal because it would be 'gamey'.

Sure, you as a player sees the revolt risk and can think about effects in the long run.

The king, however, sees money flowing into his coffers, and some grumpy peasants (and taxpayers will always be grumpy).
He's not likely to want to loose money, and removing tax collectors should then give evn more increased revolt risk in all provinces that still have to pay increased taxes.

 

[JohnMK]

I don't think Johan wants to give us this ability. One thing he may -- may acquiesce to though is having a chance it's destroyed when it defects?

 

[swilhelm73]

I agree you should be able to remove TCs, but I doubt it will happen.

A TC gives +1 ducat a year in census tax and +1 in monthly tax, IIRC. With +25% from stab at +3, that gives you 2.5 ducats a year. Presuming no inflation, a TC pays off in 20 years.

As such, it would not be exploitive - you would need more than 21 (takes one year to build) years in between wars for this scenario - building and removing TCs during wars - to be profitable.

 

[Vicar of Christ]

hey

How about...
When you conquer a province it loose all "tax collector, legal concile, governor"

It makes sense that you have to install your own mens.
So we'll be able to choose to build or not to build tax-collector in touchy area.

 

[Nikolai II]

Re: hey

Originally posted by Vicar of Christ
How about...
When you conquer a province it loose all "tax collector, legal concile, governor"

It makes sense that you have to install your own mens.
So we'll be able to choose to build or not to build tax-collector in touchy area.

Maybe.. but oftentimes a conqueror would keep the old men, or make them train their replacements.

Considering the amount of people needed to tax a whole province there would have to be a genocide to kill them all, and (once again with the money) few kings would want to replace them, when it is enough to replace the top layer.

Maybe a 1% chance or so every time a province changes ownership (not control) but that sounds like small payoff for the work possibly involved.

As stated TC pays off in about 15-30 years (1D census taxes, 1D annual taxes, 1D annual production, all multiplied with efficiencies, I'd guess)

 

[JohnMK]

Originally posted by swilhelm73
I agree you should be able to remove TCs, but I doubt it will happen.

A TC gives +1 ducat a year in census tax and +1 in monthly tax, IIRC. With +25% from stab at +3, that gives you 2.5 ducats a year. Presuming no inflation, a TC pays off in 20 years.

As such, it would not be exploitive - you would need more than 21 (takes one year to build) years in between wars for this scenario - building and removing TCs during wars - to be profitable.

Don't forget the increase to production income of 1 ducat per year.

Let's assume for the moment that you're not always at +3 (+20% in 1.06, btw) stability. Let's assume an average of +2 (+10%):

2.2+1 = 3.2/50 = 6.4% ROI

100%/6.4% = that's a payoff period of only 15 years.

 

[Languish]

Originally posted by N Katsyev
I'd really like the ability to remove baliffs from provinces, however we'd probably have to make this impossible if a Chief Judge is hired in the province as well.

Seems like a reasonable suggestion to me.

 

[Kaigon]

Originally posted by JohnMK
Don't forget the increase to production income of 1 ducat per year.

Let's assume for the moment that you're not always at +3 (+20% in 1.06, btw) stability. Let's assume an average of +2 (+10%):

2.2+1 = 3.2/50 = 6.4% ROI

100%/6.4% = that's a payoff period of only 15 years.

IIRC, production income is NOT affected by stability, which only affects taxations...

 

[Varyar]

Excellent suggestion Katsyev! I never hire tax collectors to my own provinces and it would only be reasonable to be able to remove them from conquered provinces.