This last WWW. A true testament to their strategic brilliance.
Joking aside, I know this'll probably be fixed by release. Can't wait!
Joking aside, I know this'll probably be fixed by release. Can't wait!
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Remember when Germany broke through the Maginot Line?
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I don't understand this thread. Is this supposed to be a good thing, or a bad thing, or what?
The maginot line was not a magical line, it could be breached given time, investment of troops and heavy artillery.
This is from WIKI-
"During the advance to the English Channel, the Germans overran France's border defence with Belgium and several Maginot Forts in the Maubeuge area, whilst the Luftwaffe simply flew over it. On 19 May, the German 16th Army successfully captured the isolated petit ouvrage La Ferte (southeast of Sedan) after conducting a deliberate assault by combat engineers backed up by heavy artillery. The entire French crew of 107 soldiers was killed during the action. On 14 June 1940, the day Paris fell, the German 1st Army went over to the offensive in "Operation Tiger" and attacked the Maginot Line between St. Avold and Saarbrücken. The Germans then broke through the fortification line as defending French forces retreated southward. In the following days, infantry divisions of the 1st Army attacked fortifications on each side of the penetration; successfully capturing four petits ouvrages. The 1st Army also conducted two attacks against the Maginot Line further to the east in northern Alsace. One attack successfully broke through a weak section of the line in the Vosges Mountains, but a second attack was stopped by the French defenders near Wissembourg. On 15 June, infantry divisions of the German 7th Army attacked across the Rhine River in Operation "Small Bear", penetrating the defences deep and capturing the cities of Colmar and Strasbourg."
This is from WIKI-
"During the advance to the English Channel, the Germans overran France's border defence with Belgium and several Maginot Forts in the Maubeuge area, whilst the Luftwaffe simply flew over it. On 19 May, the German 16th Army successfully captured the isolated petit ouvrage La Ferte (southeast of Sedan) after conducting a deliberate assault by combat engineers backed up by heavy artillery. The entire French crew of 107 soldiers was killed during the action. On 14 June 1940, the day Paris fell, the German 1st Army went over to the offensive in "Operation Tiger" and attacked the Maginot Line between St. Avold and Saarbrücken. The Germans then broke through the fortification line as defending French forces retreated southward. In the following days, infantry divisions of the 1st Army attacked fortifications on each side of the penetration; successfully capturing four petits ouvrages. The 1st Army also conducted two attacks against the Maginot Line further to the east in northern Alsace. One attack successfully broke through a weak section of the line in the Vosges Mountains, but a second attack was stopped by the French defenders near Wissembourg. On 15 June, infantry divisions of the German 7th Army attacked across the Rhine River in Operation "Small Bear", penetrating the defences deep and capturing the cities of Colmar and Strasbourg."
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Thats interesting. Tell me this: Were these successes due to France having moved their equipment and manpower elsewhere? Such as the Belgium front.
Devs have already stated that it was an AI bug, and the programmer(@SteelVolt I belive) is already working fixing it.(or maybe he already did)
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Are there less provinces on the maginot line now than in hoi3? I count 6 in that ss. There are 8 in hoi3.
No. Not really, the French moved their "First-Class Divisions" out of Maginot but replaced them with the Reservists, this did mean the quality of troops and equipment decreased but not substantially, also numbers were nearly the same.
The Germans also had mostly reserve troops in Army Group C under von Leeb who were thought of as useless on the offensive, (the best troops had been given to Rundstedt and Army Group A).
Like i said before, it was not a MAGICAL line. Given time, thought, initiative, courage and of-course Heavy Artillery any fortification can be breached.
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Yes there seems to be less. HOI3 had 8 from the start but I believe had an extra province covering the front if you invaded Lux. So 9 total provinces with forts.
Your wiki quote only tells us a big amount of troops can capture some small fortifications held by less troops with less equipement. The only exception being operation small bear. Well 3 days before the official surrender.
It is true it was not a magical line. Just like the german blitzkrieg isn't an unstoppable tsunami able to roll over everything because germans stronks. Anyway in paradox games, that's what blitzkrieg is, and thus that's also why the Maginot line is a Magical unpenetrable line. To give at least some interest in game. Cause if Germany which has far more troops than it really have in HoI games can on top of that pierce through fortifications easily, it would be the same as no more allowing playing countries like France. Heck, do you want to get steamrolled 'cause you're overly nerfed, or get steamrolled 'cause your opponent is overly buffed ? Please chose and play. Would not be interesting at all.
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Well they did say that it was a bug which would be fixed soon. So don't worry, Germany won't be able to penetrate the Line. At least not without suffering tremendous casualties I imagine.
Please go through OOB's before making declarations of sizes.
Not big troops. at the start of May 1940, the French had 36 divisions/division equivalents opposing the 19 of Army Group C, around 6 divisions of the French were withdrawn and 3 were diverted and the Germans were bolstered by 6 divisions, bringing both sides to numerical parity (in-fact slight inferiority to Leeb's Army Group).
Yet, the Germans broke through successfully, the first time on 19th May, 9 days into the invasion when the French were at full strength and only the last breakthrough was 3 days before the surrender. There were several local breakthroughs in between and important towns and cities were captured.
P.S.: Blitzkrieg isn't an unstoppable Tsunami in game, though Maginot line is impenetrable which is wrong is what i am arguing.
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I remember in Darkest Hour you could build Super-Heavy Artillery brigades for your infantry which gave them huge bonuses against fortifications. I never tried it to see if it was feasible though.
Success was due to France not having reserves to commit in timely manner.
No. WW2 has shown remarkable decrease in power of fortification, plenty of well prepared defensive lines were successfully assaulted without massive casualties of attacking force.
Maginot should require French to commit the necessary forces and reinforcements to it, otherwise it should collapse like it did, with attack of well-supported but sub-par troops.
I`m still waiting for somebody to show us historical German 144 divisions invading France in HOI3. I`m not convinced it is mathematically possible for Germany to have this many due to manpower, so arguably both Germany and France were nerfed in HOI3.
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Breaching Maginot if Maginot is the only front France is fighting on should be nigh-impossible. Historically the Germans made local advances against a Maginot that had no reserves. This is to be expected, given that breaching front lines of trench systems was pretty much standard even in WWI. If the entire French army had been behind Maginot, any local breakthrough would have been stopped and reversed quickly, as breaches had been in WWI.
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Yea, I said it in some other thread but I can't find it now so. It was indeed just a bug that already was being worked on and it was also fixed later on Wednesday.
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Ahhh we can crack the whips then for the next DDStarted work early? Wrote that after lunch